Beware that Riders of Bristol are advertising 2nd hand bikes as new on Ebay. Ebay aren't interested....apparently you cannot report this sort of listing violation. BIKE CONDITION = New Description 1163 miles and one owner? Several bikes listed......a very sharp practice.
They also advertised new oil filters as secondhand recently, covered in another thread. It looks like someone has got their templates mixed up or hasn't got a clue what they are doing etc. etc.
But surely the fact they have put 'one previous owner and over 1000 miles on the clock will be a bit of a clue to even the 'thickest' potential buyer? I'm not defending them but to be honest ebay is full off genuine mistakes as well as people trying to fleece you and I.
has anyone highlighted direct to Riders of Bristol?...... could be a simple and easy short cut. It could be a simple 'new IT boy' making mistakes in listings..
Nope...Sharp practice.. You'll diverting people looking for new bikes to your second hand stock. The devil is in the detail....the heading says advertising....not selling. Come see my "New Systems installed from £1000 "....Land on my page and I say prices from 2nd hand systems from £1000, new systems from £2000". EDITED to allow a wider audience to understand the principle.:Banghead: get my meaning now....a sharp practice...I'm sure no real buyer of a new bike would complete a sale on a second hand one. These ebay listings are unfair to all those who comply with the rules and list correctly. Conversely they are missing out on people looking for a good second hand machine!
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But you've changed the principle! It went from 'free systems' to 'cheap systems' which weren't when you land. Seems to me they may be trying to clear some stock and using the system. No biggie, if its in the ad, not like you are travelling 300 miles to find that new bike, at a used price too probably, isn't the bargain you thought it was because its used
Paul, Apologies for the confusion, our demonstrator machines are still classed as new as they are VAT qualifying and our ebay listings automatically upload so they fill in the section about it being new, they are used as regards mileage but new as regards VAT. Kind regards. Harvey King Sales Manager Riders of Bridgwater, Wylds Road, Bridgwater, Somerset TA6 4BH So that's ok then?
--------------------------------------------------------- The bike is new, but preregistered Regards - ridersbristol Err...ummm...perhaps I was right to post!
Talk about digging a hole for yourself. How can an ex demonstrator be classed as new? I'm going to pop in next week with my one owner 1098 with only 6,000 miles on the clock, reckon I can sell it to them as new?
I prefer the demonstrator explanation, personally. So not only is it second hand with miles on it but you get to pay VAT too! Billy bonus.
they're talking bollocks, and just exploiting an old smoke and mirrors tactic that the motor trade use to move stock. What normally happens with new vehicles is you get nailed for delivery and first registration charges which you never really see. When a model is old or superceded / delete like facelift models as a prime example some dealers in order to make them more atractive will register them. the minute you do this you sell it as a used (new) car but with delivery mileage, so commanding a higher residual on it than flogging a used vehicle. A manufacturer also expects a main dealer (bike shops I don't know but I can't see it being much difference) contractually to have a minimum number of new and approved used vehicles off them, or on the forecourt. This also allows the dealer to tick the used vehicle allocation box and also to save dosh by not having to buy a fleet of used cars off the oem (car oem's will expect dealers to buy a broad price spectrum of vehicles off them across various price and spec points). Just take the new stuff you've already paid for which hasn't sold, it won't sell as is because the new puppy is what everyone wants, but you've committed to buy an allocation of say ten 1198's irrespective of whether you have customers for them or not. You might have got rid of six, but now the 1199 is out you've effectively got four which won't sell for their new price - however if it's registered (thus used) that 1198 suddenly looks like a real bargain with a grand or two shaved off the price and with only 120 miles on the clock. The dealer is happy as effectively its paid for stock that's now moved on, and the customer is happy as he's effectively bought a 'new' bike for second hand money. And then the two grand the customer saves gets spent bumping up the salesman's commission with finance options, GAP+Tyre insurance and other extras. So nothing's really changed, the dealer has still skinned him for the price of a new bike, but the customer just feels a lot better about it as he feels he's got more 'stuff' for his cash. The fact that they're more than the delivery mileage means that they're used. Simple as. As for the vat side of things ( HM Revenue & Customs: Motor dealers and VAT: selling new or used vehicles and extras ): There are two common ways in which motor dealers handle VAT on used vehicles. 1) second-hand margin scheme: charge VAT only on the profit they make on the sale of the vehicle. used by most dealers. The second-hand margin scheme requires more paperwork-from the dealer. 2) charge VAT on the total transaction cost - that is the second-hand selling price achieved. It depends on how they choose to keep their records. HMRC is concerned only that the dealer tells them which scheme he is using. There is no obligation for the dealer to tell the customer at the outset which method of charging VAT will be used, nor if I've read the web page correctly is there a legal right for the customer to know, or be told, how much of the price comprises VAT. Each method of charging VAT is legal, and as VAT on the full purchase price is likely to be rather more than VAT on the dealer's profit on the transaction, it seems to me worth asking which method of charging VAT a car dealer uses before deciding to buy. Bottom line is the bikes cannot be described as New.
Slightly of topic but relevant, ish . One of the sleaziest tactics used by our 4 wheel stealer friends is to advertise ex rental cars as 1 owner. 85% of all nearly new/under 10,000mls cars on their forecourts are ex rental and I for one believe that they should have to advertise that very important fact. Yes they’re 1 owner but dozens of drivers though which defeats the whole reason people want/buy “1 owner” cars. The company provide them to the rental firms for 3-6mths at minimal cost, they’re registered to either the manufacturer, a holdings company or a firm you’ve never heard of and then returned. It the way manufactures get discounted “new” cars sold without discounting, they go into the 2nd hand market instead. A classic tell-tale sign is when several cars advertised or on a forecourt at a dealers have the same reg year prefix. In the case of one I went into to ask about a cars history I was told by the Salesman “it came to us direct from Mitsubishi/ex management Sir”, so it wasn’t a rental then I said, “not that I’m aware of” came his reply. Hmmm, why would this Hertz “what to do in the event of an accident form” be in the boot wheel well then? Just for the crack a friend did the same (enquiring about a car with the same reg year prefix letters) at his local Mitsubishi garage and got the same “1 owner direct from/ex management Sir” line. His case was even funnier, they both went into the showroom and Salesman opened the key cupboard/safe thingy but no key, he then went off into the manager’s office and returned with an envelope contain a spare, when he open it there was a nice big plastic #1 shaped Hertz fob attached . Ok, there’s no denying that they can be a bargain compared to new but the buyer should be told and can then decide. Who knows, they may not want to spend his hard earned on a vehicle that has been “driven like it’d been hired”, not that I miss treat them of course
