I nearly pulled out on a blade in my car because one minute the road was clear and the next second it wasnt. But he left a 60mph duel carraigeway bypass at 80+ straight onto a 30mph residential road and never slowed. He got lucky as i spotted him and broke leaving him room to zoom by. I got the usual look around and wanker sign. Unfortunately for him, I knew him and I was in a different car to normal. He was a tad sheepish when I told him the error of his ways as it was later on and now he has to suffer the ignominy of me taking the piss every time i see him. Beware sometimes motorcyclists drive cars. Also sometimes it can be very difficult to spot bikes even when you are especially conscious of them.
Agreed Boots... In my previous job I used to commute regularly on a bike. On the odd occasion that I travelled by car I was always amazed by the way other bike riders behaved in traffic. Even when you are conscious of their proximity you can still get surprised by a bike. What appears safe to you on your bike can often take a car-driver by surprise...
JR45 if the bike was doing 60 MPH, there still would have been accident whose fault would it be then? The Bike was always going to get hit, and more likely the car did and would have as well, it was the speed he was doing that determined how critical his injuries would have been. It makes no difference if he saw the bike or not, he stated he did not even see the car. so he pulled across the junction, he is still clearly far the most at fault, because he pulled across the junction. on a straight stretch of road, looking up towards on coming traffic. If you get stopped for speeding and state sorry officer sir, did not see the 30 MPH change from 40 MPH say, does he say oh Sonny off you go look better next time, I think not, it is up to you to observe warnings etc. and look etc. exactly as the Car driver did not do as he pulled across the junction.
I do understand pulling out of a junction is far different from being in the middle of the road looking at oncoming traffic to decide if you can pull across or not.
Observe the warnings? Absolutely correct.........Two bleeding great junction signs spaced at correct distances from the junction; plus a parking lay-by sign.
when Alister(coppermate) commented on it he mentioned the silver car he over took i never even noticed the color of the car and have watched it 4-5 times.
I've just had an out of body experience reading this. Thank you for this. I'm not so sure dear and dogs crossed the judge's mind during proceedings. So, whilst continuing to fail to acknowledge the driver's guilt and castigate the rider further still, we are now to consider the hypothetical scenario of dear and dogs and apply them to what we believe we know about the circumstances of the accident. Neither dear nor dogs have any conscious cognitive thoughts regarding, for example, either the RTA, Highway Code &c nor what a car / motorbike actually is. I doubt very much whether they have any similar thoughts either about the obligation of a legal duty of care to other road users much less about what might entail if they were to manoeuvre a car into a lane of oncoming traffic without looking. The driver possessed all of these thoughts/qualities.
The ethos of biking drains away with every page...bet some ride with only hi viz, sticky fluorescent pads adorned all over their two wheeled car and POLITE written on their vests too
Ah, the time old stigma of associating appropriate observation anticipation and planning with reflective clothing and pipes...... :Banghead:
There should've been a comma between observation and anticipation. Unless that was deleted by your chief super.
MaDProFF, 1976dc... Feel free to carry on thinking the way you do... But please don't ride anywhere near me. In my opinion there are too many people who just can't see the obvious. The obvious being - if you ride like a twat then sooner or later you will have an accident, probably a serious one. 1976dc - when you can post something that actually answers my question, please let me know... "what we believe we know about the circumstances of the accident" is - rider failed to appreciate and react to dangerous developing situation. As I, and many others, have already said - it makes no damn difference what-so-ever who's fault it is when you are the one lying in a ditch...
No... totally lost me there, I can only think that you must have misunderstood my original post although it was quite simply put. I should quit while you're behind mate, or are you going to bully me into submission like you normally do?
Means.......... nothing if you don't know why. But I think I have snowed in a little on the bikers incredible stupidity and haven't really considered it enough from the drivers point of view. As a driver in his situation my attention would be 100% on oncoming traffic at the point of crossing, as there is not much else going on around him, and I'm hoping there is no way I would miss oncoming traffic. However my point was never to find guilt, as this is a pointless exercise on a forum as it's always end up riddled with speculation and misinformation, but rather to point out to some people that you need to get your head out of the sand! A. People will not see you all the time, even the best of us, even when paying full attention. This is a basic function of our body and how our brain process information received from our eyes. When moving our eyes around to check mirrors, traffic, birds walking on the sidewalk etc etc your brain disregards a lot of information, fills in blanks from previous experiences and maybe most importantly just can't assess the speed of an object unless you are focusing directly on it. B. It is frightening that anyone thinks that his speed is irrelevant and the crash would have happened anyway. I mean seriously? First you have the basics I hope everyone knows; stopping distance at 90 is around twice that if you are travelling at 60, and secondly you are much more likely to fall in between one of the gaps the brains creates as I tried to explain above. Speed is absolutely critical here and a switched on rider travelling at the speed limit on that section of road would have had a very good chance of avoiding that car altogether. I'm pretty far from being the moral police, but if you're gonna drive fast (and by all means do) you have to understand the basics and use your fucking head. Unfortunately David didn't. RIP
No Finm, which why some people say "I did not see it", instead of "sorry I did see them but misjudge everything", or "I was in a hurry and did not look properly" and so on. Same as happened to me on a Sunday, I over took a car coming up to a junction from my right on the main A22 I was not going that fast, I saw the car approach the junction with out stopping pull out in front of a incoming car his side side, and now me and car I had just overtaken, he know he had to hurry as he made an effort to cross the road and accelerate away from me, I was slowing anyhow and had to break harder than I think I should had to, not in an emergency way, but annoying so, I followed his erratic driving to a garage he pulled into, I had words, but pretty much his first words were "I am sorry I DID NOT SEE YOU" well he may not have seen me, but it is because he was in such a hurry to pull out with out looking correctly, If I had been a bit closer or slightly faster or it could have been a lot worse. but he was in the wrong not me. If you come to a junction and look as you should, you should see everything & anything approaching. and hence should not pull out unless you are 100% sure it is safe to do so, if you do not follow that simply rule you are to take most of the blame in my view. Fred11 I am not thinking speed is irrelevant in this case it was how he survived the outcome that was ruled by speed, sadly he got it wrong The reason I still ague the point at 60 MPH I think he would have hit the car even possible less judging by where he was when the car turned in his path. I even think the car behind would have hit him, It is that point where the Car driver is still highly Propositional to blame. He should not have pulled out full stop, just because he did not see something does not remove blame from him. We will never know why he pulled across, just in my eyes he should have taken care to look more carefully, at least to have seen a car oncoming.
? Are we all on the same page here? I mean, overtaking on the main road on the approach to a junction with a side road (whether it is on the left or the right) is very ill-advised, yes? What drivers on the side road should and shouldn't do is secondary to the issue of what they can and do do, yes? Keeping safe is the priority, yes? We all understand this, yes?
