10 Days Blah Blah...tfto

I think there is a hidden agenda.

What the Scots really want is not a divorce from the English but to have no further dealings with the Welsh. No one dares say so, it's just so not PC.

 

from Westminster yes, from the rest of the planet no.
not really changing the subject, trying to convey the reasons why we need to move on in a simple way.
have you not ever thought to your self, feck i can do this better than my bosses? there is now a sizable group that thinks they need to be the boss.been there, doing that.

 

The other main gripe with Scottish independence, if it happens, is that it will all flare up in Northern Ireland again. The situation appears to be a low simmer, but Scottish independence will be like turning up the heat to a rolling boil. The Catholics will immediately start to think "Why not us?" and the Protestants will think "Jump on the Taigs now, or they'll be wanting their demands for a United Ireland met immediately." It'll just be more misery.

 

that's democracy for you.

 

Loving the fact that two of the main financial companies in Scotland are making plans to leave Scotland before the vote, they obviously dont know as much as Alex Salmond thinks he knows.

 

Is anyone else considering either moving their pension pot from standard life or any other Scottish fund managers?
I think I'm going to move my to a cash fund until this is over.

 

walked in on a salmond interview last night so missed the start but what i caught was an explanation of at least one the company's you mentioned had not much more than a plaque on the wall the big jobs where already in london. i really don't know what you guys think independence is, it's a chance to start again will it be easy and painless no. the vast majority know that.
ever started your own business?

 

Well from what I heard yesterday it would seem most large corporations would move south as to protect their remaining 'British' interests, i presume that simply menas they'll have more customers South of the boarder than North.

Mr Salmond is offering a reduction in corporation tax, again I presume to try and tempt businesses North, but unless they sort out the currency thing i cant see that happening for a good few years yet. Also surely by default, if you offer a reduction in corporation tax arent you effectively giving money back/away from your economy? Maybe this is beyond me but from what i understand that would be the case.

Then the toffs from Westminster seem to all be saying that non of the parties would agree for continued use of the pound, which would then mean Scotland could continue to use it without Englands consent? But they wouldnt control it or be able to print their own...or something?

So then what, go to the euro? What would that do to prices in Scotland? I presume make them rocket as thats what happended across the rest of Europe overnight.

I have absolutely no problem with Scotland going it alone, far from it.

I just find it remarkable that you have a bloke like Mr Salmond making life changing promises about being able to do this or do that when its clear hes not actually got a firm definitive answer from anybody or by the sounds of it even entered in to negotiations. And with his most recent attitude towards the majority of people i doubt they'll do him many favours.

For him to even continue with the BBC I heard on the radio yesterday that would even have to be negotiated for 'English produced' programming, which i kinda get as if the English tax payer pays a substancial amount more towards the creation of the programmes then by default it would be more expensive for Scotland. Apparently Mr Salmond is suggesting a trade, Scottish programming for English......well what value will that have? If it hasn't been made yet it has nil. It'd be like me telling a Porsche owner that when I've finished making my car we can swap, but I can't tell him the spec of my car or whether it'll run on dead otters or high octane race fuel.

I just feel what the bloke is saying isnt very well thought out and it makes my piss boil, if Scotland want independace they deserve somebody to think about it properly and have spent serious time negotiating and planning, non of that seems to be the case with so many unanswered questions.

The last thing I think he's totally ignoring is that in my view for something so decisive such as this a 'Majority vote' really really needs to be a HUGE majority, 70%+ IMO

Hovering around the 50% mark IMO isnt big enough, not for anybodys sake other than one half of Scotland is going to be majorly pissed off whichever way this now goes.

Its not a bloody political party who you can remove within a few years, theres nobody arguing the toss with them everyweek and pushing them to make U-Turns of decisions they were going to make. You get independance for life, what the hell do the other half of Scotland do then? Move out?

 

I think the companies moving south was a complete piece of propaganda by the No campaign.
These days companies move anywhere - normally for a tax break. You only have to see how many of them are in Switzerland. It's an accountancy procedure, not a lot more.

Secondly, an independent Scotland could do what many countries do: offer tax incentives for companies to locate there. It seems to work quite well for Luxembourg.

But the one thing I can't get behind is the uncertainty over the currency. If you had a project for an independent Scotland, and you wrote down on the back of an envelope while you had a coffee the 10 biggest issues you'd need to sort out, then the currency would be on the list.
How can you get to within 10 days of the vote without really having a worked out plan for what the currency is going to be and how it is going to work? Try that in any multinational company and you'd be out on your arse. It's just not serious planning.

 

Exactly, what the hell is going on with that?

It's like the bloke has selective hearing, he keeps rattling on about keeping the pound (not long ago he wanted the euro) but to keep the pound in a positive way he needs agreement by all of the people who are saying it isn't going to happen.

Now saying he 'thinks' they're bluffing is fine when playing poker at your mates house over a few beers and £20 in the pot, but taking that mentality on such a huge financial decision is frankly reckless , let alone catastrophically stupid.

You don't guess at stuff like this, you need to KNOW 100%.

 

You said don't change the subject onto your 'promotion' on the last page, then you do it yourself FFS!

 

all this smacks of inexperience when it comes to negotiations.
the bbc where caught out this morning regarding the move of big financial institutions. a letter was read out from the chief executive of rbs stating there would be know impact on jobs or services it was merely a legal requirement, something the bbc had omitted but was suggested that chief business editor new this.
the yes campaign has got this far with little or no support of the media (who controls them).
i have said this before but no matter what way this goes the yes campaign will be getting the last laugh. in 8 days time on this forum and others the condemnation of politicians,media, big business leaders and bankers will begin again. boring.

 

their head office has been in London for the last 100years

 

Of course, it could be a bluff.
The markets hate uncertainty - that is sure to drive your share price down.
By saying they will move to England, they remove the uncertainty of what will happen post vote and bolster the share price. Then, if post the vote and a yes outcome, they can easily backtrack if the environment looks more friendly to them in an independent Scotland than it does in London.
Simples.

 

and will continue to do so.

 

How d you work that out .