When I'm told to shut up by the moderators, I nearly always do.... Pity you others don't..........Still, not all of us are idiots and keep trying to goad....
Ok.........the thread has lost it's way and has become fractious in places, and some members have, rightly, taken offence at some of the behaviour. In view of that I have decided to close the thread. Sorry, but you were warned about this earlier.