Buying Second-hand From Italy?

Discussion in 'Ducati General Discussion' started by highsider, Jan 24, 2015.

  1. Anyone tried this?

    An Italian colleague (living here) is planning to by a 'previously enjoyed' MV from Italy and was saying there's no point in buying from the UK as the Euro is weaker now and there's a considerable saving to be made. There is the hassle of bringing it back, but depends where in Italy you're buying form. Most are in the North so not bad.

    I had a quick look here for an 1198S: Ducati 1098 S (2006 - 11) usate - Annunci usato Ducati 1098 - Moto.it

    A good(ish) 1198S could cost around 8000€ in Italy which is about £6000. The equivalent here is around £9000. That's a fair saving.

    I know the 1198 will allow you to switch from kilometres to miles. Is it as simple as registering for a V5, then MOT?
     
  2. Surely biggest problem will it being left hand drive?
     
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  3. new headlight required.
     
  4. main issue will be the gearbox, all those reverse gears !
     
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  5. And the vat.....
     
  6. Don't know about Italy... But in Spain the biggest problem is the paperwork. I rode my nc30 over there and my brother in law bought it off me. He spent the best part of 2 years trying to register it over there and gave up in the end.
     
  7. No vat on an import from Italy...surely?
    Part of the EU.
     
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  8. No...vat on getting the v5...or i may be corrected but to put it on the road a tax has to be paid....
     
  9. Turn it upside down :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Back in the days of the 916, there were several mag articles about buying new from Italy and riding it home.
    There were good savings to be made then with the exchange rates etc, and you could get a 24 hr registration in Italy which then just expired. Don't know if they still do something like this if you notify of export up front at the Italian end.

    Having a couple of mates who have done similar with Bimotas, they did have an entertaining time with the bike SVA test required for the machines before they were allowed on British plates. (There can be a lot of jobsworths on the bureaucratic journey.)
     
  11. I'll be the other way around. Register in the UK from Italy. I thought the EU free movement of goods act would allow this process to be less prohibitive anyway.

    For me personally, I want to register the bike for British plates, but will use the bike on the track only - so in no hurry to convert to UK.
     
  12. I bought a s/h 748 from France back in '98 and rode it home. Didn't have to pay any VAT or import duty as it was over 6 months old. Cost about 30 quid to register, no need to have it inspected as it was a type already homologated for the UK.
    In summary - it was a piece of piss to do.
     
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  13. Ah - well theyre you go - the last time in enquired (was 20 years ago) was a Jersey registered KR1-s and they (the dvla) wanted vat paid on it before they would issue a V5 - that was a long time ago though.....
     
  14. older than 6 months and you don't have to pay vat on it.

    As a non resident you couldn't buy a new or used bike from a dealership but you can buy privately.

    If the owner of the bike agrees to sell the bike to you regardless of the fact that you are a non-resident, he can go with you to a "notaio" and get a notarized bill of sale which will allow you to be the owner, and allow him to de-register the bike - which he will make you pay for.

    But you will either have him remove the license plates from the bike(and then you will have to transport it to the UK trailer etc) or get him to trust you enough to let you drive it all the way to the UK and then post him the plates and original registration documents once you got your registration from the DVLA.

    First, not only you will have to do the "passaggio di proprietà", but you will also have to wait until the "agenzia" that processed the purchase will give you the vehicle's registration papers with your name on them.

    You can request temporary insurance to any insurance company in Italy who sells it (not all of them do- and certainly not to non residents), and once you've got your papers and your insurance in order, simply start the bike and drive it to your country with its original plates still on (they are YOUR plates now).

    Once you get to blighty and clear the customs (you should declare at the border that you're importing the car for good, and pay the relevant taxes) start the process to register your car there (you can drive an imported car with foreign plates in the UK for up to 6 months. Declare the vehicle to DVLA as imported and with the import document and the release document when you get the UK plates, just remove the Italian plates and take them back to Italy together with the Italian registration papers and the customs receipt if any, bring everything to the same "agenzia" where you processed the car purchase, and ask for a "radiazione per esportazione" in order to have the Italian registration cancelled, otherwise you will be charged with the yearly Road Tax regardless of the fact that the car is not in Italy anymore.

    Its a UK sold production machine so you don't have to worry about all that homologation cobblers either. The UK side of things will be a whole lot simpler than what you'll have to go through in italy.

    It's probably worth getting the radiazione per esportazione done whilst in italy to avoid cock ups and flights out there to sort out bureaucracy. The DVLA I'm sure will want the original logbook in order to lose it for you and fuck things up, so make copies of everything until the UK registration arrives.

    for your italian colleague things are a bit simpler as he already has residency, so its just ownership changes (and he'll probably just ride it on his italian plates anyway - and why not - it looks way cooler, especially on the older bikes which used to have the two letter province suffix on them, BO for bologna.

    If you're serious about it, he can actually be a great asset to you, as its always easier navigating the paperwork with a local by your side. Don't bring Exige with you as if his contact with the factory is anything to go by on that old pile of scrap 999 parts he bought is anything to go by you'll ending up signing your house over and being fisted with the blunt end of a fossilised parma ham. :)
     
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  15. I see it has seriously affected you, jelly sevy :p don't think I'm allowed to the factory :D, thinking about it the last time I was in Italy about 12 years ago I had a machine gun pointed at me at the airport :Wideyed:
     
  16. Crikey!! - what were you trying to get authenticated back then- a ball of Mozzarella?
     
  17. I visited Italy with a customer - Cozart, a Bio Science company dealing in saliva based drug testing for the home office. I had a hundred or so test kits in my lap top bag (computer left at home) in foil sealed wrappers with cocaine and heroine printed on them :Hilarious: as we had visited an automated packaging company. Seems they love me in Italy :D
     
  18. get an import pack from dvla. its quite straight forward. no taxes from eu. The only good thing to come out of the collaboration.
    you need to insure the vehicle on its chassis number temporarily (not many insurers do this, adrian flux is 1 that does).
    you apply for tax at same time as reg.
    You need copy of eu reg document, and cert of conformity.
    Actually, its not that straight forward, its a pain in the ass. But 3k is 3k.
    Less 1k because imports are worth less.
     
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  19. Strange how the UK pulls that shite both on value and also insurance, yet other places don't. I Imported my 2 brit bikes to Sweden in 2013. No weighting at all on the insurance for being foreign bikes or my foreign license. Have just part exed the MTS12 and got standard Swedish prices for it(which incidentally was a good bit more than UK value).
     
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  20. Ahh. KR1-S. Takes me back to riding with a hand hovering over the clutch lever. I do miss 2-stokes.

    Sev - that is great advice! Don't think I'll save enough by the time my colleague wants to get his bike (in couple of months time). However, I can see what my options are after saving enough or if the Euro dives.
     
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