Two thing spring to mind. How old is the bike? If its been stood more than a year the belts should have been changed before it was fired up, and vent in the cover? Doesn't sound right, the belt area is one area you want completely closed, as even a tiny stone flicked in there can cause a disaster.
This is a worrying thought as my 1198S is of extremely low milage and is 15 months old, I may consider having them changed before the recommend 2 years?
If the dealer said in add service was not done it is your fault legally as he warned you, price needs to reflect that. No sales of goods act will cover you as dealer informed you. Regarding belts being under 2y so should not fail well 600 mile service and 1y service both check the belts. If both were skipped Ducati has no obligation to do anything, 600 mile service is just that 600 miles but if 1y has passed and you did not do 600 mile service it would have been part of 1y service and belts would have been checked. As such Ducati could say if it happened we would possibly spot fault. Repair now can prove very expensive so no one will want to take it. Phil I never seen in it anywhere that Ducati says belts need to be changed if bike stoked for over a year. Is it in there? 749 did not have it.
If there is ever a good argument for using your Ducati here it is. They really dont like being halled up.
I would say no need, you have no idea what car dealer did to it and you have service history right? Belts are designed to work 2y or X mileage minimum and if they fail before that not your fault as long as service schedule was obeyed. As said belts are checked at each service.
haha, it would have been daft yes, i turned it over at the side of the road trying to restart it before i realised what the fault was. :/
really sorry for you, very sickening feeling when something like this happens while the points above are techinically correct, i would go talk to the dealer first, they sold a bike that had not been maintained whilst in their care and should really be responsible for putting it right especially so soon after a sale. they are insured against these kind of things as they do happen on occasion imho, if the bike is under (or even just over) 2yrs old you should still be able to go back to Ducati, even if the first annual service was missed by the delaer, this would have only been essentialy filter and fluids and a general check over anyway. The belts should not have failed in that time and with that milage. as said above you can go to trading standard and argue that the bike was 'not of merchantable quaiity' to have failed within that time/milage. arguably it is as much the dealers responsibiity as Ducatis to sell merchantable goods, but ducati do have a fairly legit caeveat if the bike is well over 2 yrs old and never been serviced be polite but firm and i would have thought you will see a posative outcome that doesnt dent your wallet too hard good luck
There must also surely be plenty of leeway in the recommended service intervals. By that I mean that a yoghurt is easily edible months after its sell-by date. Ducati will cover itself with the time factor on belts or the mileage factor. But if they should be changed every 2 years, you still wouldn't expect them to pop after 3. Belts are a bit more than simple rubber bands - you wouldn't expect them to perish inside a motor after a couple of years, surely?
i know, sickening it sure is! thanks for everyones advice, im going to take it to the nearest ducati dealer in an hour, il be happier once its in their hands. i have informed the car dealer i bought it from by email, to get it all in writing, no reply as of yet but in his defence, he wasnt very quick at coming back to the sale emails either. the bike is just under 2 years old. if it had warranty.... it runs out next week. the car dealer sold it to me with "remaining Ducati warranty" so i spose there is always that to fall back on should ducati say no. i should have known better than to ride it, but i really expected the belts to be of better quality. i thought id get in a few hundrew miles before sending it away to see if any faults or niggles popped up, i could get them done at the same time..... woops
if its under 2yrs old then i reckon ducati will suck it up even without the other service intervals being adhered to. If it was a nasty bit of swarf in the engine, or a clogged oil filter or oil/brake/clutch fluid that had gone off that caused the breakdown then they might have an argument thats its your/the dealers problem for not servicing the bike, but a belt failure in that time/mileage should not happen fingers crossed for you nb if its been sat that long how were the tyres?
But that is exactly why you have specific dates on products. If Tesco were to sell the yoghurt after use by date and you got sick they would be responsible, even if remaining batch of 10000 was ok. There is the date on packaging for a reason. That is to protect Tesco, same goes with belts and Ducati. Think about it this way during manufacturing process a faulty belt roller was fitted, a 600 mile service or 1y service could have possibly shown the issue before snapped belt. As it is it was not done so Ducati could not be responsible for not spotting the issue before it got worse. Warranty is contract between you and manufacturer you agree to obey service intervals they agree to fix things that go wrong and should not have. unless there was an underlying fault that would have been discovered if proper service schedule was done. All in all I think it will come down to how expensive the repair will be before anyone will commit to anything.
I know of belts not being changed for up to 8 years (eight)!! And still been fine ... This sounds like they have hardened and set around the cams and gone out of shape, as has already been said, they don't like being laid up ... I agree that the seller (trader) is responsible and would try and reach an agreement with them to honour any work carried out by a Ducati dealer. Ducati themselves might honour it if you're lucky, or at least the parts, good luck.
Assuming we have eliminated it being a race bike (road clocks and bodywork tucked away), could it be a tensioner failure rather than the belt? Does the scheduled first service (600 mls) check belt tension and re-torque the tensioner? I dare say the car dealer will try everything to get away with it!
Quite certain tension check is at 600 miles, maybe not tensioner check but it is defo the case at to check both at 1y.
Hi, with a ducati twin if the belt snaps or you take it off the valves shut as the springs close the cams. Yes they do have springs on the closing rocker. Its not like an multi cylinder engine where the valves will be open on some of the cylinders and then get hit by the pistons when the cams are left to rotate to their resting position. ie when you perform a belt change and they are both off the engine you can turn it over (with the plugs out) and the pistons will not hit the valves. So assuming that cams are free to rotate and the mashed up belts isnt in the way the cam and valves would be shut. You just have to hope that the did not touch in the last few nano secs. Hopefully either the dealer under trading rules or Ducati step up to the mark. Goodluck.
I don't disagree Anth but the contract of sale was between MikyHut and the dealership and it is therefore the dealership who is responsible for putting it right under the Sale of Goods Act.
I think it would be the fact that the belts were sitting in the same position for an extended period of time that was the issue.
SOGA also has a second strand in being fit for purpose, so Ducati would be on the hook. However, if a service schedule wasnt followed and part of that servcie was to check said failure, at best you'd be due a contribution. But Ducati sell premium product at oremium price and so far in m experience have shown premium customer service so fingers crossed for the OP not going thru too much hassle
As an aside a friend of mine went to pick a bike up and saw a tricalore which had sat in a London car park for 3 years. His view was he wouldnt touch unless mega cheap, to allow a big service before it was even turned over. For this exact reason.
So wrong. It depends where cam has stopped. In other words how lucky you feel. If belt has snapped when valve(s) were extended then on the way back piston will slam in to them pushing them back damaging one of few possible things (or all of them). Cam, valve steam, valve guide and possible valve seat, rocker arm. As such valve never fully hides and each time you rotate the engine piston might be hitting valves that are now solid obstacle.
