Weighting Inside Or Outside Footpeg

Discussion in 'Trackdays & Rider Skills' started by nice1myson, Jun 14, 2015.

  1. As per title .... whilst my body position is good whilst entering a corner , which i'm also working on a quicker rate of turn instead of a slow and laboured one , do people weight the inside or outside footpeg when entering,and mid corner, this is something i'm struggling with help and advice would be great .....:upyeah:
     
  2. Depends on the corner.
    Entry speed, radius, what's coming after it, what was before it etc.
     
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  3. Nope not consciously. Hard countersteerimg does it more then well enough. Change of direction for a chance may get some peg action
     
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  4. Combined counter-steer and weighting the outside peg works for me. Each in varying degree depending on situation.

    If that's wrong ... I don't want to be right!
     
  5. just load inside bar to start with, that gets good results.
     
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  6. Inside with counter steer ,if your hanging off the side off the bike :D
     
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  7. What the fuck language are some of you people talking FFS?

    If you want to turn a bike quickly/late whatever you want to call it (quickly) then learn how to countersteer, then learn how to do it harder and faster. That's it. There is no more.

    Your feet merely anchor you enough so that you can use your legs and core to support yourself adequately.

    Countersteering turns a bike. There is no magic, sorry.

    FWIW I weighted the outside peg for years because that's what Keith Code said to do, he was wrong and he states that now.
     
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  8. Honestly, this is complete bollox.

    Yeah it sounds logical alright, but it's still total bollox.
     
  9. Pegs are only really useful (its as much knees tbh) on chicanes and other quick directional changes. Arms are there for steering
     
  10. The other Keith, and Jules:

     
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  11. I've had a think about this question over the past few weeks/rides as I wanted to understand consciously what it was I was doing instinctively.

    I've concluded that I weight the pegs to aid me in making quick body-position adjustments during rapid changes of direction ... not because the pegs have any particular effect on the steering of the bike. (So yeah, effectively what Bradders said.)

    Occasionally a thread comes up that makes you question what it is you are doing and why :) :upyeah:
     
  12. Weight transfer does work, just not very well, as shown in that video. Therefore whilst counter steering is the way to turn a bike weight shift can be used to fine tune the turn along with coutersteering, which I am sure is what the top riders do.
     
  13. Much more useful off-road :upyeah:.
     
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  14. All just my personal opinion but I'll add my tuppence worth to this as I think the Panigale adds an extra dimension that other/older bikes do not. The Panigale is particularly sensitive to weight changes which makes it ultimately more rewarding but also more difficult to learn stuff than other bikes.

    I agree with Bradders et al and would say that counter steer on the inside bar is the only right answer in terms of improving fast turn in, just on a Pani there are a bunch of little things you can do that can either help or hinder you and confuse matters. On a Panigale you can very much steer it off the pegs like you can a dirtbike, certainly in changes of direction such as chicanes. This means if your weight is off balance it's easy to give incorrect inputs via the pegs or just your balance that wouldn't be noticeable on other bikes. On my old R1 I could clamber all over the bike on lean and it made almost no difference. On the Panigale every little movement changes the bikes attitude.

    I must say I dont agree about weight on the outside peg as the outside foot moves forward and heel hooks the peg to get a better leg hook over the tank so there's no weight being applied on that side. The inside toe is pointed more to push down on the peg and help keep the bike on lean (if you let go of the steering mid corner then the bike just pops back up naturally). I find the faster I get the more forward and 'superman' of the pegs I need to be to the point where now I want to get my pegs moved up and back of the stock position.
     
  15. I agree with pretty much all of the above comments.
    Instinctively, I weight the inside peg on corner entry and the outside one when powering out.
    I do this more on the trailie than on the Ducati.
    And I tend to only do it on those days when I'm "on it" ....I tend not to bother if I'm being lazy.
    On a good day the phrase "dancing on the pegs" comes to mind.
     
  16. Agree with counter steering principle.
    In the wet, weight the outside peg heavily, may only be psychological
    but gives loads of confidence, try it...
     
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  17. I weight the outside peg when sliding the rear wheel on the dirtbike. I guess it's similar on a roadbike if you are riding it supermoto style which like you I often do in the rain as well.
     
  18. I do like the feel of a loose backend...
     
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  19. A little bit of arse and knee down ( depending on severity of corner , or blindness ) followed by some uper body and then head on apex for drive out ,,,,,actually experimenting with body forward at moment ,,,,,every day is aschool day for me just now ,,,,, never even thot about pegs , will do next time out ....
     
  20. some great replies :upyeah: shall be putting it all into practice at Donny 28th august ;)
     
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