hmmm, naughty Rossi, impetuous Marquez. Leave it as it stands, Rossi with penalty and MM scored no points
So he fended him off with his knee slider...i thought his foot came off the footrest with the impact?..and he wast missing the apex it looked more like obstruction to me.
I never said his foot came off the footrest with the impact. I'm only calling it how I see it. Look at the frame by frame footage and see if you agree
I can only think some contributes genuinely have a white stick and Labrador. There is a rule in mgp about touring on the racing line, and acu I think also mention touring i.e. It's not permitted. Closest you will find to a rule break
So I guess CAS will announce whether VR starts fom back of the grid after the riders/team meeting thats being held in place of the press conf. Whatever they decide is going to start a whole new flurry of debate......as if it hasn't had enough. I personally think they will let let him start from qually pos to play it safe in legal terms and pressure from the VR publicity/fanbase rollercoaster. VR should've taken the FIM penalty imho. He caused MM to crash, plain and simple.
Well I suppose it is true to say that if VR hadn't started the race then MM wouldn't have crashed in those circumstances. But equally if MM hadn't accelerated and turned into VR he wouldn't have crashed either. So to say that VR "caused MM to crash, plain and simple" is far from plain and certainly not simple.
Thanks for that. Do you mean you think VR didn't break the rule against touring on the racing line or that he did?
i don't think it would be fair if they let him start from qually position..if they were to do that they should strip him off the points he recieved in Sepang,personally i don't see them changing anything, i think Rossi just went to cas to try and mess with Lorenzos head and disrupt his preparations for sundays race, i hope Rossis mind games doesn't get to Lorenzo as the finale has already been spoiled whatever the outcome
It isn't about what is fair, it is about what is and is not permitted within the rules and the penalties that can be legally applied. If CAS suspends the 3 penalty points, and the subsequent starting from the back of the grid, then I don't suppose Dorna or the FIM have the power to arbitrarily strip VR of championship points to make it "fair" in your, or anybody else's, eyes. I agree though that whatever the outcome on Sunday it will have been spoiled to some extent. So let's hope for a good race to finish the season.
I'll let the FIM statement clarify the rules for you. FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix - Decision of the Race Direction On 25th October 2015 during the MotoGP race of the Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix, rider #46 Valentino Rossi deliberately ran wide on Turn 14 in order to force another rider off line, resulting in contact causing the other rider to crash. This is considered to be irresponsible riding causing danger to other competitors and is therefore an infringement of Article 1.21.2 of the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations. Valentino Rossi was requested to attend a Race Direction hearing. Both riders involved were present at the hearing, both gave testimony, and video evidence was reviewed. The decision of the Race Direction is to impose on rider #46 the addition of 3 penalty points on your record, according to Article 3.2.1. of the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Disciplinary and Arbitration Code.
That is only the FIM interpretation of events. The problem is that the FIM (and Dorna) have an obligation to obey their own rules, and they do not have the last word on this.
Having actually missed the race at the time, Ducbird's video is invaluable. It all looks a lot clearer to me now: 1. Rossi aired his view pre-race that Marquez was more interested in messing up his title chances than amassing points. This was probably to shame Marquez into leaving him alone and to go an win the final races. 2. Plan backfired. Marquez was incensed and in the race was only concerned with one thing - seeking revenge on Rossi and definitively buggering up his title chances. 3. They make all sorts of passes on each other. The Marquez passes are highly agressive and constantly threaten collisions, ie, either back off or you are going down. 4. This behaviour incenses Rossi who can scarcely believe it. His looks at Marquez are surely of incredulity: "WTF do you think you are playing at?" 5. In the fateful corner, it's a case of "OK, if that's how you want to play it, that is how we are going to play it". By this stage, Marquez isn't concerned with beating Rossi, or particularly with staying on. The game has become that one of them is going into the kitty litter - a game of chicken. 6. It was all clearly going to end in tears, even before the final crash. 7. Seems to me that the Marquez fall is at least "soft". He might not have deliberately fallen off, but he was already prepared for the eventuality. This is why there is no fist-shaking at Rossi. He was prepared to fall off to bugger up Rossi's title chances. Perhaps he would have quite liked both of them to fall off. It's not like a deliberate dive, more like when footballers feel a little contact and are happy to go to ground and get the penalty rather than try and stay on their feet and perhaps score. Marquez did not have to be where he was - he was happy for the contact. As I said, a game of chicken. 8. In the circs, I don't think that Rossi should be penalised at all. MM initiated a game which he lost. Someone was bound to hit the deck. Rossi wanted to get as many points as possible and finish the race. That was not MM's objective. Any penalty that Rossi gets should recognise that reality. Lorenzo wasn't there and should keep out of it.
Some factual errors in FIM's findings. They appear to contradict themselves. The statement makes FIM look ridiculous, in my view. If Rossi "deliberately ran wide in order to force another rider off-line", the effect would have been Marquez running wide or off the track. This didn't happen. The contact was the not result of Marquez being off-line but instead comes from Marquez steering into Rossi. Marquez could have avoided Rossi and Rossi could have been completely and solely culpable of breaking the rules. Rossi was arguably guilty of running wide to force another rider off line but it was Marquez's decision to collide with Rossi. FIM needs to get its facts straight
The FIM are the rule makers of MotoGP. The fact that this has been taken to the CAS doesn't change that. As far as I'm aware, the rule isn't being challenged, the decision and level of punishment is.
Was it Assen where Marquez effectively ran Rossi off the track on the last corner but he scooted across the outfield and won the GP? I do remember MM running Luthi off the track at Qatar in Moto2. He has form for taking up all the track.
FIM don't often take any action with regard to riders pushing other riders wide, etc. They do perk up and pay attention for collisions and crashes, though. It's almost like FIM have no idea that near-misses and actual crashes both need to be looked at with the same critical eye. Maybe they don't really understand the sport?
