we cant change the earth, we are small, it is big, globally we are still fuck all. Earth rules. It it decides to split open and swallow us, it will. It if melts its icebergs, releases copious amounts of co2 and kills us all, its the earths choice. Everything else is an educated guess. I guess.
Why? We manage quite well without them. No one wants to ride anything that is going to kill them and any biker can take his machine to a dealer for a check over if he wishes. We don't have nanny state here, people are expected to have common sense.
cause here, only 10% have common sense. because of this, the legal speed limit is 70, we cant talk on mobile phones while driving or have a small drink then drive.
Over here most people and probably all bikers still have their common sense as individuals are expected to use it or suffer the consequences. We also have speed limits, mobile phone bans, drink drive control etc. It is great not having to get an MOT every year and not having road tax, the nice weather also helps with the biking for much of the year. It is easy for me to forget that I spent most of my life in the UK where there were speed cameras everywhere, traffic wardens around every corner and pay machines in hospital car parks. No I never visit the old country anymore.
No more baloney in my posts than there is in yours, Glid of Glood. You have read what you have read,and you have made your own mind up. I have done the same. Just because you believe something doesn't make it right,any more than I expect my view to be accepted by others as being right. I rarely respond on those occasions where I find myself profoundly disagreeing with your opinion:we have engaged in a battle of opinions before and there is no point as we are unlikely to ever change our views based on what each of us believe.So I don't bother. But: Believe what you want,but I like facts not fairy stories or computer predictions. If core samples tell scientists that the world was warmer in Roman times and the Middle Ages,then I believe it. End of story. There is no Global consensus on this issue.Thousands of scientists and millions of people don't believe that the changes in climate are caused by the actions of mankind. I'm one of them. Your comment about my post reference population growth? I shouldn't have to explain to someone as smart as you,but just this once I'll indulge you. A n increase in the world population has,and will, use more resources,e.g moremeat,(methane and other dangerous gases), food which will require more oil-based fertilizers and machine harvesting,(ditto),wear more clothes which require more textiles,(same again),and undoubtedly,(if they aspire to a western standard of living and the tide of humans heading this way from Africa suggests a lot of them do),they will want personal transport and the means to fuel it.More houses,more heating,etc,etc,etc. If they want what you and I already have,giving it to them will cost the planet. You are entitled to ignore the blindingly obvious if you wish,but others including myself will continue to laugh as so-called serious scientists disappear up their own arses trying to justify the inaccuracy of their predictions. The climate has always changed:it has before,and evidence of the the changes are backed up by core samples:and it will continue to do so:whether there has been or will be any negative effect because of mankinds actions cannot ,and will never be,proven,because you cannot test the opposite. The only thing I don't laugh about is the fact that I have to pay for these delusions. I'm disappointed Glid,I never had you down as being so blinkered to other peoples opinions.
The Great Pause lengthens again: Global temperature update: The Pause is now 18 years 3 months (219 months) 'The RSS (Remote Sensing Systems) satellite dataset shows no global warming at all for 219 months from October 1996 to December 2014 – more than half the 432-month satellite record.' 'The global warming that the IPCC had so confidently but misguidedly predicted 25 years ago has stopped altogether.' 'The Great Pause is a growing embarrassment to those who had told us with 'substantial confidence' that the science was settled and the debate over. Nature had other ideas.' Read more: The Great Pause lengthens again: Global temperature update: The Pause is now 18 years 3 months (219 months) | Climate Depot
The RSS satellite dataset shows no global warming at all for 219 months from October 1996 to December 2014 – more than half the 432-month satellite record. The global warming trend since 1900 is equivalent to 0.8 Cº per century. This is well within natural variability and may not have much to do with us. Since 1950, when a human influence on global temperature first became theoretically possible, the global warming trend has been equivalent to below 1.2 Cº per century. The fastest warming rate lasting ten years or more since 1950 occurred over the 33 years from 1974 to 2006. It was equivalent to 2.0 Cº per century. In 1990, the IPCC’s mid-range prediction of near-term warming was equivalent to 2.8 Cº per century, higher by two-thirds than its current prediction of 1.7 Cº/century. The global warming trend since 1990, when the IPCC wrote its first report, is equivalent to below 1.4 Cº per century – half of what the IPCC had then predicted. Though the IPCC has cut its near-term warming prediction, it has not cut its high-end business as usual centennial warming prediction of 4.8 Cº warming to 2100. The IPCC’s predicted 4.8 Cº warming by 2100 is well over twice the greatest rate of warming lasting more than ten years that has been measured since 1950. The IPCC’s 4.8 Cº-by-2100 prediction is almost four times the observed real-world warming trend since we might in theory have begun influencing it in 1950. From September 2001 to November 2014, the warming trend on the mean of the 5 global-temperature datasets is nil. No warming for 13 years 3 months. Recent extreme weather cannot be blamed on global warming, because there has not been any global warming. It is as simple as that. Read more: The Great Pause lengthens again: Global temperature update: The Pause is now 18 years 3 months (219 months) | Climate Depot
makes no difference to the results or consequences of climate change tho does it. we are increasing the speed of climate change, i think that's the concern.
Clearly more people on the planet use more resources and produce more warming as they seek to increase their standard of living. Indeed. There isn't any point focusing on population growth, however, as maximum births was reached 15 years ago. The current increase in population is now caused by people living longer and not dying. Contraception won't help that. As I said, the video posted above is extremely interesting, counter-intuitive and well worth your time. It is also nice to have some good news for once - that the birth rate is falling globally.
Well, I would read more but first I thought I'd look into the credentials of Climate Depot, as they have such interesting and novel things to say. Knowing that you are a fan of Wikipedia, I thought I'd quote you what they have to say: "Marc Morano (born 1968)[1] is a former Republicanpolitical aide who founded and runs the climate skeptic website ClimateDepot.com.[2] ClimateDepot is a project of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), a non-profit organization based in Washington, D.C. that advocates for free-market solutions to environmental issues.[3] Career[edit] Morano was born in Washington, D.C. and raised in McLean, Virginia. He has a bachelor's degree from George Mason University in political science.[1] He began his career working for Rush Limbaugh from 1992 to 1996.[4] After 1996, he began working for Cybercast News Service, where he was the first to publish the accusations from Swift-Boat veterans that John Kerry had allegedly exaggerated his military service record.[3] Beginning in June 2006, Morano served as the director of communications for Senator Jim Inhofe. He was also communications director for the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee under the George W. Bush administration. In 2007, Morano produced a report listing hundreds of scientists whose work, according to Morano, questions whether global warming is caused by human activity.[3][5] In April 2009, Morano founded and became executive editor of ClimateDepot.com, a website sponsored by the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. In November 2009, Morano was one of the first to break the Climatic Research Unit email controversy story after being contacted by Anthony Watts. The story was subsequently picked up by James Delingpole.[4] Media appearances[edit] In December 2012, Morano debated Bill Nye on global warming on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight.[6] In January 2013, Morano debated Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club, again on Piers Morgan Tonight.[7] Morano was interviewed in the 2015 documentary Merchants of Doubt.[8] Reception[edit] Negative[edit] Climatologist Michael E. Mann has criticized Morano.[9] At the end of 2012, Media Matters for America, a politically progressive media watchdog and lobbying group, named Morano the "Climate Change Misinformer of the Year."[10] Morano has been criticized[by whom?] for publishing the email addresses of climate scientists on ClimateDepot.org. In March 2012, Morano posted an article and the email address of sociology professor Kari Norgaard, who had presented a paper on why it is difficult for societies to take action to respond to climate change. This story was later picked up by Rush Limbaugh, after which Norgaard received threatening emails.[11] Morano repeated this action again in 2013, when he posted the email address of Shaun Marcott in response to Marcott's having published a temperature reconstruction which resembled the hockey stick graph.[11] Morano says that emails targeting climate scientists can be nasty in tone, but defends the practice of posting their addresses by noting that he himself has received hate mail. He says that his goal is to "let the professors hear from the public" and that receiving nasty emails is "part of the process."[11] Positive[edit] Morano's EPW website won a Golden Mouse Award in 2007 for improving communications between Members of Congress and their constituents.[12] In February 2010, Accuracy in Media awarded Morano their annual Reed Irvine Award alongside Andrew Breitbart,[13] and in July 2010, Doctors for Disaster Preparedness announced it would award Morano that year's Petr Beckmann Award.[14]" ****** So, I could believe the IPCC which collates the work of nearly all the climatologists working in the field, or I could choose to believe a Republican Party public relations hack who has a clear political free-market agenda: ie, don't let anything get in the way of making money. I don't have a lot of time for the Republican Party, I must confess, and the more I read and hear about it, the less time I have for it. I have read The Merchants of Doubt which I alluded to in a previous post and it has convinced me that vested interests have tried to obfuscate science on various matters which would prevent corporations going about their business of making money to the detriment of ordinary citizens, notably the dangers of tobacco, the ozone layer and latterly climate change. The same names crop up, the same public relations firms who are for hire to disseminate misinformation for any client willing to pay enough $$$$. Republican lobbyists are just another manifestation of the same thing and I wouldn't give them the time of day. I respect your right to cherry pick your info and to believe what these people are being paid money to tell you. But I find it odd, as you don't seem like a NeoCon. You may well retort that all the information on the other side comes from a leftist agenda working secretly to tax hard-working people across the globe. I have to admit, that I find this hard to believe. Can I believe that free-market economists are trying to massage science to fit their money-making agenda in the US? Yes. Given the Republican record on just about everything and what I have read about Cheney and friends. Can I believe that the governments of all the world's nations have got together to tax their populations and pass this off as necessary green taxes? That sounds a lot more unlikely. Occam's Razor.
If mankind is increasing the rate of climate change,and there is no evidence of that. There are predictions,assumptions,estimates,forecasts,possibilities and scenarios. Data can be selected to to promote one view or another-I've done it myself in my last couple of posts. "I can confirm to you that the "130 times" figure on the USGS website is an estimate that includes all volcanoes – submarine as well as subaerial ... Geoscientists have two methods for estimating the CO2 output of the mid-oceanic ridges. There were estimates for the CO2 output of the mid-oceanic ridges before there were estimates for the global output of subaerial volcanoes." "The published estimates of the global CO2 emission rate for all degassing subaerial (on land) and submarine volcanoes lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year (Gerlach, 1991; Varekamp et al., 1992; Allard, 1992; Sano and Williams, 1996; Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998). The preferred global estimates of the authors of these studies range from about 0.15 to 0.26 gigaton per year. The 35-gigaton projected anthropogenic CO2 emission for 2010 is about 80 to 270 times larger than the respective maximum and minimum annual global volcanic CO2 emission estimates. It is 135 times larger than the highest preferred global volcanic CO2 estimate of 0.26 gigaton per year (Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998)" No disrespect to you,or anyone that sees things differently to me,but estimates are nothing but guesswork using specially selected data.They are the modern version of the Emperors New Clothes. If I can easily find some data to prove my point,so can anyone else. As stated,if Governments were really serious about Climate Change,they'd make the radical decisions to do something about it.The fact that they favour their economies over,"the greatest threat to mankind in history",shows their true thinking. 50 years ago populations were cowed by the threat of nuclear war.But that went away... Luckily for those who,"govern",us,a bunch of hippies saw a picture of our planet from space and started squealing about how we were destroying Mother Earth...and a new big stick was invented. Good eh?
