Have done around 1000k now on my Standard Panigale with ABS, I'm still trying to get used to the ride by wire. Mainly when slowing down and changing down coming to junctions etc....Blipping the throttle to change down the engine response just seems inconsistent and weird. Not precise like my 749 and other bikes I have without the ride by wire. The dealer says the bikes settings are all OK and it's the DTC and EBC taking over. A guy who has a Multistrada with Ride by Wire told me that's how it's suppose to be, and you don;t need to blip the throttle coz of the DTC and slipper clutch. I've even set the EBC to zero but the throttle response when blipping is still inconsistent. Anyone out there had the same feeling ?
no but you can set the level of EBC to run in or off as much or as little as you like. Iv not played with it but leave it in race.
I have the new Triumph Explorer which is ride-by-wire and it is absolutely faultless. I would say it is more responsive to throttle input than any bike I have ridden. I also have a new Multistrada which I have only ridden for 150 miles but the throttle response is not as good as the Explorer. I also notice that the Multi still has throttle cables whereas the Explorer has only an electrical connection to the twist-grip. The Multi has a pair of cables and to be honest I thought it was a cable throttle not ride-by-wire.
the guy who has the multistrader is right , the slipper clutch works in conjunction with the engine and the engine speed , so when you change down the slipper takes over if need be . but out of interest here , could someone explain to me when exactly i must blip the throttle as ive never rode a bike without a slipper as im new school , so ive never needed to blip , so could someone tell me when at the exact point i must blip the gas , thanks
Everyone needs to blip, at least for the noise. Not to blip is so....L plates. Like pretty much everyone on here I suspect, it's so automatic, I don't even think about it (and I'd have to start thinking hard if I stopped doing it). I think the sequence is: shut off throttle pull in clutch blip throttle prod in gear let out clutch open throttle Trick is to blip throttle with inside of thumb so you can brake at the same time - takes a wee bit of practice.
i had to laugh at Glidds whitterings because as per usual he's on the money. To not blip is to be a nugget. i think that this ride by wire thing is a bit like flappy paddle gearboxes on cars..the machine does everything for you. call me a victor meldrew but it seems that the vehicles are doing more and more and the driver/rider, less and less... who knows, maybe the ultimate Ducati hyperbike in a few years will let you actually sit on the pillion seat and let the bike just get ferheck on with it. Then, 10 years later, some bright spark will reinvent the wheel.....'how a bout a new approach, more organic, more visceral.....?' and they'll build an RD259lc and the world will herald it as a miraculous renaissance.
Ride by wire does away with the cable assembly so there is no lag and is more precise. The principle of the blip is so that when you have changed down a gear it limits how much the engine `breaks`AND so that the engine speed matches the revs of the lower gear that you drop into so that 1 you dont have a rear wheel lock, which is what and when the slipper clutch comes in (not as a consequence of the throttle blip) and 2 for the run in, which the Pani can be adjusted for with the EBC. Or is it EBM? Bloody acronyms lol That said Glidd`s got it and clutchless down shifts! isnt that a bit ropey? Up yeah but unless it goes in smooth down doesnt it make some nasty crunch sound??
Yep clutchless downshifts are a bit ropey, but can you blip the throttle on a clutchless downshift, that was the question. No, they don't go crunch.
You bleep the throttle to match engine speed and road speed. When you do that you get a benefit of not locking the rear wheel but also benefit if smooth up/down shifts completely clutch less. You can do the same in a car or even truck when it is moving. I am fully with funky here. Electronics take away skill and control from a driver/rider so for me take away all the fun. I tried multi, would love to have a go on panigale. When on multi I did not feel in control of the throttle and was constantly fighting electronics. I guess with time I would get used to it but I fear that means getting back on a raw simple bike would kill me.
Correct, the computer in vehicles is making it increasingly difficult for the over 20's to get any enjoyment out of riding/driving. My Beemer car is a case in point, it has a mind of its own - I don't operate the lights, wipers, dip the interior mirror, lock the doors while driving etc etc not to mention all the stuff it's doing while I'm driving it which has numerous titles like ABS, EBV, DTC, DBC, DSC, RPA and others I don't know about. Then there's the display that tells me I should really be in another gear (bloody nerve!) and the multitude of settings for stuff I didn't want/need which need to be accessed via the computer to set. The other day my passenger couldn't get out of the car and my door was locked as well, trapped! Eventually I found a button which unlocks the doors if the engine is still switched on when I didn't lock them in the first place. WTF !!! Then I take the 999S out for a run and I'm back in the real world or is it a bygone age????
The next cars will be a train. I like my 12 year old car. I still have to do just about everything myself. It's only got a few dials (nice round analogue ones). The ABS is handy, admittedly, but how much of the other things do you need? What I also notice is that drivers are still just as incapable as they ever were. People join motorways at 30mph because they don't dare go any faster in the corner leading on to the slip road (less prevalent that problem in the UK as most motorways are joined from roundabouts). I can run rings around cars on my bike - in the pissing wet, when they benefit from 4 fat tyres, windscreen wipers and more electronic aids than Houston Mission Control. As Frank points out in the brilliant Luxury Fever, all this does is increase the price of cars, makes you work harder to pay for them and really brings you no additional benefit or happiness. Still, you can say much the same about bikes. Now 20 large for a top of the range sports bike - hadn't noticed wages increasing at that rate.
Hmmm Glidd raises a good question. out of all us bikers, how many believe that if all prospecting would-be drivers had to first spend a yr on a motorbike, would it make them better drivers, let alone safe and more respectful toward us riders? I say YES
I would say yes to making learners ride a bike first, but that would just lead to more tabloid headlines about motorcycle deaths!
Id disagree as it would show then how vulnerable road users are and to ride/drive with more consideration. The same as we all have had to learn
That is quite true, but we all know how impetuous teenagers are, and I'm sure you've seen the current generation blasting round town on their peds with no concern for themselves or anyone else. I can only see a large increase in the number of accidents and stats being used by the press as another way of getting us off the road.
Too true, but then they`ll do it anyhow be it on a hair dryer or in a car, but at least they will be only limited to 30-45mph and at worse only injuring themselves and a pillion if a solo crash. Plus the added bonus is itl keep premiums down cos there will be `hopefully less accidents after the first yr of someones mechanically propelled veh history due to realzsing after their first that crashing hurts and more mature drivers who move onto cars will appreciate what it is like to be cut up (dry or wet weather) or pulled out on or suddenly changing lanes. Better to get the `boboos` out of the way early on when the speed factor is low. Ultimately it cant be a bad thing, even if they have to do a CBT as part of their car test. I know its impractical and wont happen but if just to experience being on the road as a bike rider
If you want even more over-filled trains, forcing everyone on to two wheels before they get four would be the way to go. Or you could just have a more stringent car test and more frequent testing once you had your licence (like every 10 years). My old man is a complete liability in a car these days. He is 87.
