I've always said I'm paying £x per month to have an 899/1299 can I have something decent please. Had 1299, 1299S monster 1200, 821, multi 1200, diavel etc.
Nothing else comes close to the Ducati riding experience and when it's good it is really good! Mine is for priceless dry day blasts but not for high mileage year round use.. There are better options for that..
First time back on the forum since selling my Multi in 2012. I liked the look of the new model and thought I would just see if Ducati had managed to sort their reliability issues with the Multistrada. I did 13,000 miles on my 2011 machine in just over a year but at a guess over 1000 were in multiple return warranty visits to JHP (Great blokes BTW) Loved riding the bike but in the end the issue after issue wore me down to the point where I took a stupid high £ loss just to see the bike gone. Nothing I see on the forum is convincing me its time to move back to the red side. For anyone looking for reliability I can highly recommend the Kawasaki Versys 1000 GT. Not quite as quick or light but massively cheaper, comfortable, similar pannier system to the Multi. Done 9000 miles in 11 months with no issues at all.
Does not fill you with confidence tbh! Picking my new one up in 3 weeks hope it's not a Friday bike but think a good chunk of them are!! Out of interest has anyone rejected a new bike on sale of goods as not fit for purpose???
Talked that fucker up didn't it ...... todays start up after work rewarded me with "DSS ERROR" :rage: cleared on ignition recycle but came back on another start up .... oh well, time for a dealer trip again
Good question. For some reason there is a reluctance to apply the "fit for purpose" aspects of the Sale of Goods Act to motor vehicles particularly with respect to timescales beyond "warranty" periods. Anyone with knowledge ( @Pete1950 ) care to comment ?
I would have to class the Multi as the least reliable bike I have owned. For something just over 3 years old its not exactly great., before we even get into how much it cost I expected more. We have the niggles - faulty exhaust valves, rear brake, weirdness from the service indicator - which is still baffling me (when the speedo is in miles it showsw nothing but "oil service" and no miles, in KM it shows something like 10,000KM - which was done last year!), random transponder key issues, steering lock not working, there's probably some more but at least one of the above crops up every time I ride it. At three years old the gear lever stopped returning which was done under my extended warranty. Last week I rode it for more than a day on the trot the gearbox locked up solid in a false neutral as I was in the outside lane of the M4 overtaking - that was no fun at all and had to limp across three lanes with no power and kicked the shit out the lever to get moving again. It just leaves me unable to "trust" the bike to just bloody work on a day to day basis which is not great when I do 120 miles a day commute...really takes the enjoyment out of slinging my leg over it, because it is still an incredible machine but it could be so much better if it worked properly. Which is why I jump on the F800ST every day instead... Never had anything like it, the only thing that comes close is my Buell XB12TT, which had a premature driver belt failure. For comparison reasons, a list of any other bike I have owned and commuted on every type of weather. All of them I used as my sole transport to work in Bristol. 2 year old Street Triple - only thing that went wrong with that when doing 35 miles a day rain or shine was frozen clutch cable due to the weather. Brand new ER6F - had one issue with an ABS sensor but was just reset by the dealer. 2 year old Versys - no problems at all. 12 year old Aprilia Pegaso - one problem of water getting in the petrol tank fixed with new gasket seal 2007 F800ST - I have done 10,000 miles on it in six months, which is more than the total miles on my MTS! Nothing but a set of tyres.
My current multi DVT is my third Multi ! Had a 2010 (28000km ) a 2013 (25000km) and now this one ( 1900km so far in 4 weeks ) . Awesome bikes ! Only failure I've had was the fuel sensor on the 2013 . Also have a monster 1200s - no issues at all ! Maybe I'm just lucky [emoji15]
Tbh this year was the first time in my life I decided to go with a bike on pcp, just made sense for financial reasons. Anyway I had the multistrada along with a couple of other bikes in mind and after plenty of test rides I still decided to go with one of the 'other' bikes as opposed to the multi. It wasn't particularly sold to me after riding it as I just felt it lacked the punch of the 1200S I had, although tbf it was still very quick if ridden differently. It was probably more to do with not willing to take the risk on the Ducati especially when this time around I was tying myself in to a pcp contract. Sounds stupid I know, but when I was reading issue after issue on the stupidest of things I kinda thought how I'd feel paying out lumps of cash every month on something not performing, I just didn't have the confidence in the brand. To be clear I love Ducatis and probably always will, but not in a blinkered way. Sometimes I just feel they're far more concerned about hitting new sales / revenue targets and increasing brand value, more so than they are actually producing a quality of bike equal to that of the price point. I know that many have hinted at the new Enduro being the multi to have but I honestly think you'd be crackers to head anywhere other than well populated areas, kinda negates the point of it.
Another thought......is it because they have so much bling that there is more to go wrong with the them?
Quite possibly, lets be honest, Ducati have never exactly been known for reliability in the electronics department or anything linked. Although saying that its some of the very basics they've got wrong. Fuel pumps, cheaply covered seats, bad panel fitment etc etc Its very much like a bike thats been built to a tight budget to squeeze the maximum profit from
there's nothing new on any vehicle. even the most complex thing on a bike apart from maybe skyhook but still relies on proven technology has been around for at least 16years. water ingress has been known about since Edison's time. i dont think it helps that a bike of such stunningness has so many parts exposeable to the pressure washer right enough. (have i just invented two new words?) :smileys:
Getting rid of a bike when the warranty runs out is a good idea if you don't mind the hit on depreciation. I try to keep bikes for 3-4 years after buying them new and would happily have taken the 4 year loss on my MTS without blinking and eye but to take the 2 year loss twice was never going to happen.
There is quite a huge variation of people who has problems, and people who do not, makes me wonder what the common denominator is, I know fuel is one, putting High Octane certainly helps with some issues, fuel sender for one etc. exhaust sensors, which many have had problems with and I have never had any on all 3 Ducs over 20k odd miles so far. Dealer also seems to come into play, I use Pro twins, sole reliant on Ducati, have a huge long experience, I know some people have issues with them, but they have been around a long time, buying a new bike off them they take a lot of care and build, set them up well, they have to to keep their small customer base happy.
Yes, added complexity means added risk. But that doesn't explain the stupid things like fuel senders and heated grips, which aren't exactly rocket science.
At the time of sale it is obvious whether an item, or vehicle, is fit for purpose or not - superficially. If it goes wrong at a later date, the question is whether or not this shows that it could not have been fit for purpose back at the time of sale. Several possibilities exist. It could have been used in a manner contrary to the manufacturer's instructions; it may not have been serviced correctly, or at all; there may be accident damage; unsuitable fuel, oil or fluids might have been used; non-standard parts may have been fitted; it might be just fair wear and tear; etc. etc. Or of course it may have been defective when sold, yet the defect taken a long time to become apparent. If a vehicle more than two years old and past the warranty period goes wrong, it may be difficult to establish what was the cause of the problem. The manufacturer or importer cannot be certain how the vehicle has been treated in its lifetime - and owners have even been known to lie. If the same fault has occurred several times on examples of the same model, the importer may well accept liability. Otherwise, an owner would have an uphill struggle trying to prove in law that the breakage of a part on his three year old bike must have been because that part was defective three years previously, but the defect has taken three years to manifest itself. I think this accounts for the reluctance you mention.
