Im of the same opinion... I currently have my first and last Ducati. Mines a 2016MY so not one of the first. Will not consider another Ducati.
Sorry to see you go Splitforit My 2010 Sport has been and still is faultless, but im fully aware that's not the case for everyone I do thing you would have a strong case to reject the bike at least for a replacement based on all the issues you have had, and the inability of the dealer and the manufacture to fix your issues
Got it back from the dealer today and rode it straight up to the BMW dealers where it was traded for a 2016 R1200GSA TE. I've test rode so many bikes whilst mine has been in the dealers this week but decided that the GSA would be the best overall fit for me after the multi. I'm hoping with all fingers and toes crossed not to have a repeat of the 'Ducati' experience... time will tell. Couldn't go on living with the multi any longer as I just wouldn't trust it on a proper trip. Looked at rejecting it but seemed pretty difficult to be able to do unless I could prove that the bike had the faults I experienced at the time of the sale - providing that the dealers honour the warranty there seems little that can be done. I've had to take a painful financial kick in the bollox get out of the multi but it's done and I'm drawing a line under it. I'll never be a Ducati customer again. Riding the GSA home today, I had a feeling that I've done the right thing... well, for me at least.
Check back after a few months and let us know how it is. Hopefully you will have no issues I am at 4500 miles only issue is trip, side stand, fuel sensor and heated grips are cooler than I would like Dealer has always been helpful Sure the bike should not have had these niggles but.... Overall I am very happy with both my Ducatis - multi Dvt and Scrambler Scrambler has had no issues but I have done lots of bits to it - the largest of which is the suspension - which even at test ride on demo was bad - so I knew that had to be done also the seat. But as we know bikes are the second biggest money pits there are.. Good luck with BMW
Good to hear. I've been considering doing the exact same thing. 2015 Multi to a GS TE but not the adventure. Did you go for nearly new?
Did the dealers find out about your cut out and engine surging problem at all, or say what it could be? Mine cut out on Tuesday, it also sometime idles at a high speed for no apparent reason on start up sometimes, which I do not understand. The idle revs seem quite uneven, and I wonder if that's normal?
Since my '10 had its Desmo service, it now idles very fast from cold, until it warms up. I assume that's down to a software update, which I could well have done without.
Good choice, no getting away from it they are good bikes, my buddy has had the GS and the Adventure and I've ridden them both. To be honest it's really only the image thing I cant get over that stopped me considering one.
Yep bought new, the bike was a showroom model that had been kitted out with every accessory in the catalogue including the Akrapovich can and Nav 5 and full aluminium panniers, top box etc and quick shifter. They gave me a cracking deal to help me live with the awful trade in value. I know the trade in value was pretty fair dealers wise as it was the same as I'd been offered by KTM on a Superduke 1290GT and another BMW dealer on an XR. Ducati offered a grand and a half more for my bike against an Enduro but I just couldn't risk a repeat of what I've already been through with the multi so after a very hard swallow I went with the showroom bike - only done 100 miles so far but I'm enjoying the beamer a lot
The dealers had mine off and on for 3 weeks and never positively confirmed a fault. They had my bike hooked up to the computer whilst it was idling between 500 - 2500rpm (up and down all over the place). The computer had the O2 sensors reading at completely opposite ends of the their tolerance limits (one high and one low) but other than that, nothing. Mine always seemed to rev high and stay high (over 2500rpm for 20-30 sec) on start up if it was going to play up but often idled and rode normally. It often hunted between 500 rpm and 2200 ish rpm (when it dropped low it was right on the edge of cutting out) when in stop start traffic. The last time I was in with it I asked for the O2 sensors to be replaced but at £179 each they refused until instructed by Ducati (if the fault isn't fixed, Ducati would refuse to reimburse the dealer for parts and labour); instead, they replaced the side stand switch. I didn't ride the bike long enough after this was done to be able to say if it fixed the problem but I suspect not. I believe that the rough running at idle is linked to the cutting out as the bike never cut out when the rough running wasn't present and I don't think a side stand switch could be involved in that. I have ridden a few different multis' whilst mine has been at the dealers and 2 of them also seemed to hunt around a lot at low revs so not sure if that part of it was normal or if these bikes will also develop the cutting out issue? My bike had the rough idle for about 7-800 miles before the cutting out started (it kinda got progressively worse). 2 of my mates have multis with no issues whatsoever with regards to rough idling and cutting out. I called another dealer (Cornerspeed) in Nottingham to see if they might be better able to diagnose my bike using a rolling road but they said that they had another customer with the exact same issue as me on a 2015 Multi and they and Ducati were stumped!
Yeah the image thing is a pain - noticed I get a lot less nods than when riding the Multi... However, when I was riding the demo GSA, I got completely ignored by 2 CBR600 riders at a fuel stop (full leathers and scuffed sliders)- they pulled out behind me and followed me onto my favourite stretch of twisty road (Market Raisen to Wragby). Despite what I assume to be their best efforts they got left for dust. The beamer blew my socks off! I knew I was buying one then and there. When we pulled up at the Wragby traffic lights, I turned and asked them if they wanted to go ahead of me and they sheepishly said thanks and slipped past... made me feel good in a different way:relaxed:
Lol. Exactly right. The lc GS is a seriously quick road bike. Show it a bumpy road like our local run up to Harrside and sport bike riders cant stay with it. Not because it is race track fast, but because the suspension and handling just works so well along with massive torque when coming out of corners. Soprtsbike riders are out of the seat and having to back off the throttle. Highly amusing tbh.
My 2010's shit. On the other hand it's AWESOME!!! I love the bike when it works but have no trust in it. I do a fair amount of miles (800 this week) and I'll certainly be looking elsewhere when funds allow. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Truth is I loved my MTS. To get it sorted the way I wanted was going to cost though. If build quality had been similar to VFR or R1s of old then it would have been a keeper. Not a ticking time bomb though. Just found out my mates MTS has a nasty rattle and power los sounds expensive. Early S model. Already had new clocks. New back light cluster. Other owner with PP had new clocks. My 13 had a couple of small issues. None of which were good indicators for a trouble free long term ownership. Its understandable to think its more internet bullshit but thats 3 out of 3 well known bikes to me.
A few weeks ago, I found myself behind an LC GS running down through Glencoe. I was on my Multi. The rider was making very serious progress and demonstrating a pretty decent standard of riding (he only missed a few overtakes). I was running at similar pace (having initially slowed down when I saw him behind me in the distance, in case he was of the Constabularic persuasion and wished to, ahem, get past quickly) and the Mutli certainly knew it was working. Mid-range acceleration of the GS seemed particularly decent. We caught and passed a couple of sports bikes and they didn't seem to know what had just happened ;-)
It's particularly amusing when you cruise past a flock of sports bike riders when running with the BIG pannier lids on: they think they've just been passed by a high-speed block of flats
Very sorry to hear that, but understand completely. I've had Ducati's since 1982 and my '10 Multi has been the worst finished and least reliable that I've had. When everything's working, it's a great bike, but you need something you know you can trust whilst up in the Outer Hebrides. Above all though, it's the lack of support for common problems from Ducati, who, in the UK at least, have gone from a very pragmatic and supportive warranty approach to being a bunch of don't-want-to-knows. That seems to have happened since the Audi takeover.
:Bag: Splitforit, I'm genuinely really disappointed for you that you decided you had very little option other than to trade this MTS in for a Beemer and from where I see it you should write to Ducati to explain your story and incredible tale of woe, outlining why you have made your decision and asking them to respond as to their position in these respects.I would also advocate writing to the Head of Motorcycling Manufacturing within Audi as the parent group, whatever, or whomever that might be, seeking clarification as to why this customer service and warranty follow-up matter should result in such loss of customer confidence in what is purported to be a quality product, with so many well documented defects requiring such dealership focus and attention in order to provide rectification and redress! It is crucial that such feedback is given to these organisations, particularly when they are already suffering, quite rightly so, across the world for mis-leading customers, with regards to the diesel fuel car consumption and emissions saga, to name yet another 'issue'. Without this recorded feedback they will never learn, so 'go et em'....:Facepalm::Rage::Rage::Rage::Rage:
They know full well what the customers complaints are. So you think they don't know they're bikes corrode away and have all the other issues. It all comes down to money. Some bean counter knows better engine paint or stainless fasteners etc. would be better, but the loyal Ducati lot complain less than is worth it to put them on as standard. They have after all only got to last until the warranty expires. Just been on a Xerox course for work and there is a huge fault on one of the machines. Powers that be decided to simply call it a machine limitation, and only offer the fix to US customers with incredibly deep pockets. Hundreds of other owners scratching their heads at these whopping great lines on their prints wondering why the limitation wasn't there when they were sold the kit. All down to money... their money, stuff your money! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have already started to draft a letter to Ducati and also intend to write to some of the motorcycle magazines regarding the issues that I and others have had on our bikes. Ducati seem to be selling lots of Multis' at the moment so even if only 5% (I suspect the percentage is much higher) of owners get trouble that will still be a lot of unhappy people. I've been out all day on the GSA and it hasn't missed a beat - everything still works even? I managed 200 miles in all without any need to call the free breakdown recovery service out... unlike my first few hundred miles on the Multi... all in all, I'm very happy to be riding the GSA instead of the Multi but incredibly unhappy at having made such an expensive mistake by trusting in Ducati. What is that old saying about reputations taking many years to build and seconds to destroy... are you listening Ducati?
