British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. I think you are clutching at straws ;)
     
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  2. I think you are assuming I want Scotland to stay in the UK!

    but it's interesting to consider the language of Cameron and Sturgeon.

    Sturgeon has said she is looking at all options.

    Cameron has said he will be taking Sturgeon to the EU meeting to get the best deal for Scotland.

    Sturgeon has also been talking to the London Mayor. Does he want to try and keep London in the EU and the UK also? She doesn't need him, so why the telephone call?

    All I am saying is, if it's technically possible and there is a lot of money involved, don't be surprised.

    Personally, I would prefer Scotland to go completely independent and like the idea of a semi separate London city state.
     
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  3. Hmmm. Varoufakis is losing his shine as far as I am concerned. He goes wrong in the first paragraph, just because another EU is possible doesn't mean that it was achievable from where we were, he then went on to align himself with the odious Owen Jones.

    I suspect that there has to be some pain before things get better, and yes, it will be a rough ride.
     
  4. Correct me if i am wrong but for Article 50 to be signed it has to be approved by Parliament which means a vote in favour in the Commons. Whilst i am not saying that they wont agree to sign it eventually as it is the will of the referendum, but 75% of MPs were in favour of staying within the EU so i bet there will be a lot of toing and froing before it is eventually signed. And i wonder if many may refuse to agree without a free trade agreement in place.
     
  5. I think you have made your position quite clear re Scotland's relationship with the UK.

    I am sure Cameron, Sturgeon, Khan, et al will be looking at all options and some kind of stitch up is entirely possible, this is by no means over.

    So you would like an independent Scotland a "semi separate London city state" and presumably England could go back to the land of Turner and Constable ?
     
  6. Boom and bust is part of the natural economic cycle, it is when people try to suppress that natural cycle that things go horribly wrong, as Gordon Brown found out.
     
  7. I live in London John. It's a trading City. Staying in the EU is what most Londoners want.

    If I was to say the rest of England was to be forced into the EU against its will, that would be undemocratic.

    I am exploring the possible options that are technically available based upon the will of the respective populations of Scotland, London and England.

    You think the powers that be are not considering the options?
     
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  8. No, I am certain that they will be looking at all the options, there are probably teams of very smart people doing just that right now.
    The problem I have is when you start to fragment the UK for the benefit of special interest groups, I am thinking more City of London here rather than Scotland.
    I believe in the UK and that it is greater than the sum of it's parts. Maybe I should reevaluate your leftie leaning credentials if you think that the City of London should go it alone ?
     
    1. I was thinking greater London and from the point of view of

      1) democracy
      2) influence of big business

      As to the whether it's right or wrong to wrench England's capital from it, that's a different matter and not something I was considering in the scope of the comment, but clearly, it's a huge question, and IMHO not the right thing to do be doing.
     
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  9. You wouldn't have had the chance to vote without him. Like him or loathe him he has done a huge service to democracy. There is not a chance in a million years that this referendum would have happened without Ukip and Nigel Farage.
     
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  10. Now that Hollande, Merkel, schulz etc are all openly talking about change within the EU to try and counter further referendum calls from the Netherlands, France, Italy and Sweden.

    Isn't it fairly plausible that the game isn't over yet and the delay in signing is to allow talks to take place on what these changes could be? Therefore 'the signing' may never happen?

    Maybe it's too far fetched, but it's odd how the heads of state have come out with a changed tone now that the British have shown leaving is real.

    Forget Junker and his rants because he's just an employee
     
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  11. No lettuce either.
     
  12. What you said isn't far-fetched. I believe that you have described "Route 1" for the political classes over the next three months.
     
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  13. The MSM are a pile of crap.

    Sterling was trading against the dollar at $1.42 ish for a large part of Feb to April before the markets pumped it up expecting a remain vote.

    Today it's at $1.37 ish so there's my 5 cents on the matter. It's hardly a currency crash and nothing like Black ***day.

    Government bonds are up too.

    Said it before and I will say it again. People shouldn't believe the hype in the media and shouldn't look the facts out themselves
     
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  14. I've just been watching some silly reporter interviewing people on holiday in the med somewhere asking how they feel about the crash of the £

    It's still sat at 1.23/euro as I type this, again that's stronger than it was throughout 2012-2015 (midway)

    It's just hysterics at the moment and I just wish someone with bloody backbone would stand up and talk
     
  15. Mary-Doll Sturgeon has just held a short news conference where some waffle was imparted and she repeated everything she said yesterday.
    Then everyone went home.
     
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  16. Does her popularity threaten you and you feel the need to compensate?
     
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  17. Does her popularity threaten you and you feel the need to compensate?
     
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  18. Cool :cool: rouse the Scottish :upyeah::Smuggrin:
     
  19. Not in the slightest. :)
    I never feel threatened by politicians. They are only made of clay. But when they're being excessively boring something has to be done to gee things up a bit.
     
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