Providing people don't start calling each other and start kicking lumps out of each other then fine. If it degenerates into a bun fight I will have no option nor hesitation but to close and/or delete it. Capisci?
We don't know what the outcome will be yet, but I don't think that the Sun or the Mail make government policy. It may be that if we pay tariffs for access to the single market, and reciprocate with tariffs going the other way, we can chose which Johnny Foreigner to let in. But there is going to be an awful lot of bollox talked and written before anyone really knows what the hell is going on.
Visa-free travel to the Schengen area is currently available to a long list of countries, including USA, Mexico, Japan, UAE, most of C & S America, etc. This is not the same as having any right to live or work there. Adding Turkey to that list would not be a big deal. But that is not even what is being discussed here, just a liberalisation of the visa regime. No need to panic. As regards accession criteria, Turkey has only met one chapter out of 35 chapters so far, after decades of trying. Encouraging Turkey to try to meet some more chapters is a good thing by any standards, but it does not mean Turkey will be joining the EU for many years to come if ever. Again, no need to panic.
You stated that,"Leave",voters didn't listen to "experts",expressing by implication that only the Remain supporters did listen to "experts". Also, in an earlier post you referred to "Pride and Prejudice", vs, "Sense and Sensibility".Did you really mean that 51.9% of the voters were motivated by prejudice? I'd hazard a guess that there are just as many people who voted Remain that now regret their decision,and the same percentage on that side who voted without thinking about it. I've read pretty much this whole thread,(admittedly there are some people I ignore,not because of this subject particularly but because they come across as a bit extreme and unwilling to engage in genuine debate),and many contributors are genuinely trying to debate the issue,find out exactly why people voted the other way/what facts swayed them etc. I'm interested to know what you read or heard or were told or what you experienced that made you say,"f*ck that I'm staying in".
Yes they are, but not all migrants are workers and most of those that are are in low paid jobs and pay very little tax. Unfortunately yes he does influence government policy, but he doesn't make government policy.
http://eeas.europa.eu/top_stories/pdf/eugs_review_web.pdf The actual recent document setting out proposed foreign policy objectives for the EU is more informative than a half-baked Breitbart commentary on it.
The electorate were told by the leave campaign not to listen to so called experts. Most 'experts', such as Mark Carney and George Soros were advocating remaining. The Pride and Prejudice was a bit of fun, I thought it was rather clever and wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. I'm sorry if you found it personally offensive Why do I favour remain? That's what my gut tells me. United we stand, divided we fall. Divide and rule, that sort of thing. I am fearful of losing Scotland and being a disunited kingdom. I am also fearful of the potential break up of the EU being an opportunity for Nationalism to rear its ugly head all over Europe. This would be fertile ground for Mr Putin to regain all he has lost and perhaps more. World war 3 ? That's without the economic arguments which also make me lean that way.
Surely. But that's not really the point. If you want more people whether British or not, you will need more infrastructure - roads, schools, hospitals, houses etc. You only have to play Sim City to see that. If that's what you want, the EU can supply it. If you don't then you have to think that the UK is better off outside the EU. The entire media discourse for decades has all been about growth. It's not sustainable and ultimately non desirable. There has to be alternatives.
When you consider the views of "experts", consider this: The highly-paid financial experts had bet on Remain. The bookies were so convinced of Remain that it was 10 to 1 on. That is the level of expertise we are dealing with. It is not comparable to surgeons, mechanics, or bridge-builders. No one has ever been able to see into the future consistently. That is why Gove said "we have had enough of experts" and why Cameron's rebuttal was so unconvincing.
The highly-paid financial experts advised that Remain would be the better option. 52% of those voting did not accept that advice. That does not mean the advice was wrong, nor that their expertise was in any way lacking. Some people refuse to take medical advice; that does not mean the doctor was incompetent.
51.9% was it not? How can people call that a clear result? If it had gone the other way, it still wouldn't have been a clear result imho
