God I hate this bloke. The sooner he's in a jail cell the better. The fact he want's to remain in the EU ang ignore the democratic referendum held in the UK on the basis it was "only 52% to 48%" (4% majority approx.) speaks volumes about the principles of the man. The fact that in 2005 he got into Gov't with a 2.8% majority is forgotten. I don't remember him saying the result shouldn't have stood back then. UK should keep its 'options open' over leaving EU: Blair - ITV News
Apparently May is so far ahead in the first round some of her supporters are endorsing Leadsom to try and keep Gove off the ballot.
Just checked my mail box, and it's empty. Phew ! I'm relieved but strangely dissapointed. I must try harder...............Right you Mutha F**kers !
You seem to forget that Cameron said he would invoke Article 50 the day after the referendum. He didn't. That is why the stock market didn't crash. Share prices are based on the profitability and value of companies. Whilst they still have access to the single market nothing has changed in that respect. But signing Article 50 will change that and make this country's future very uncertain. The pound however did lose a lot of value against all currencies. That will at some point soon have an impact on the cost of living in the UK.
Cameron lied through his teeth from the moment of promising this referendum until his resignation. What is more telling is that the 2 front runners for the PM job have said they WILL sign article 50. So it's as good as a done deal. I don't see much panic in the markets.
Could MPs block an EU exit? Could the necessary legislation pass the Commons, given that a lot of MPs - all SNP and Lib Dems, nearly all Labour and many Conservatives - were in favour of staying? The referendum result is not legally binding - Parliament still has to pass the laws that will get Britain out of the 28 nation bloc, starting with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act. The withdrawal agreement also has to be ratified by Parliament - the House of Lords and/or the Commons could vote against ratification, according to a House of Commons library report. In practice, Conservative MPs who voted to remain in the EU would be whipped to vote with the government. Any who defied the whip would have to face the wrath of voters at the next general election. One scenario that could see the referendum result overturned, is if MPs forced a general election and a party campaigned on a promise to keep Britain in the EU, got elected and then claimed that the election mandate topped the referendum one. Two-thirds of MPs would have to vote for a general election to be held before the next scheduled one in 2020.
I hope so. You can't have a feisty debate without winding a few people up. If we are all going to have a thread agreeing with each other, how interesting is that going to be? I cite as an example the pages and pages decrying the shotgun exhausts on the 959. No, they aren't nice. But it took endless pages for us all to agree that. This thread is a lot more interesting. I have learned a lot of stuff on it; I've found it educational. And even now it is educational. For instance, no, I didn't know that the referendum was purely to gauge public opinion and that the vote doesn't have to be enacted. So I'm all for keeping the thread open, but if it closes, I'll just go and read a book (or write one). I don't mind. There are other things to do.
what ? after all the lies , fear , " fudge " of the last few months,, do you actually still believe anything that any of them say ????????
This was used in the scaremongering by the remain camp too, and it isn't even an EU institution :Facepalm::Finger: Will leaving the EU mean we don't have to abide by the European Court of Human Rights? The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg is not a European Union institution. It was set up by the Council of Europe, which has 47 members including Russia and Ukraine. So quitting the EU will not exempt the UK from its decisions. However, the UK government is committed to repealing the Human Rights Act which requires UK courts to treat the ECHR as setting legal precedents for the UK, in favour of a British Bill of Rights. As part of that, David Cameron is expected to announce measures that will boost the powers of courts in England and Wales to over-rule judgements handed down by the ECHR. However, the EU has its own European Court of Justice, whose decisions are binding on EU institutions and member states. Its rulings have sometimes caused controversy in Britain and supporters of a Brexit have called for immediate legislation to curb its powers.
The referendum was to keep the Conservative party united in the run up to the 2015 election, David Cameron would never have offered it if he thought he wouldn't win it comfortably. I hope that the rest of the EU reexamine their position within the EU and a few more exit referenda are triggered. Today Angela Merkle was reported to be looking to oust Juncker and initiate talks on the reform of the EU, but whether it is true and if so whether they would be substantive I have no idea.
I found that very funny. But I'll tell you what else I find funny: big finance. For example, the Bank of England said it would prop up the £ to the tune of £250bn if required. Where's that coming from then? Indeed, where does money come from? It seems it can just be printed if required, or perhaps simply invented and conjured out of thin air. Is this not what banks do with leverage? This is one of the most interesting things about the budget deficit. So long as you can borrow, it doesn't seem to matter much. It's not like my personal finances. If I run out of money, there are serious consequences. I think Pete made the sound comment on a previous thread that it's all to do with confidence. In which case, austerity really is baloney.
The link... easier than CUTTING & PASTING :Angelic::Bucktooth: :smileys: The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know - BBC News
it would appear that i have known ( some ) " stuff " for some time which you are only just realising....
This would be the best option. A reformed EU, with some sort of provisos on free movement. Just about everyone could get behind that.
