British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. "The entire population must pay compulsory health insurance. The insurers are non-profit agencies that annually participate in negotiations with the state regarding the overall funding of health care in France. There are three main funds, the largest of which covers 84% of the population and the other two a further 12%. A premium is deducted from all employees' pay automatically. The 2001 Social Security Funding Act, set the rates for health insurance covering the statutory health care plan at 5.25% on earned income, capital and winnings from gambling and at 3.95% on benefits (pensions and allowances).[5]
     
  2. Now Turkey has completely buffered up any chance of joining the EU can we change our minds and rejoin?
     
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  3. What was that you say @Ducbird ? duke63 is talking out of his arse again. Well I never. :Clown:
     
  4. Er? Quite badly I would have thought! And where the hell are all the squatters going to live? Maybe sort a deal with Travelodge or Premier Inns?
     
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  5. NO!!!
     
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  6. I was joking!!!
     
  7. There is a potential opening for Scotland. Once they have confirmed their financial position, set up border crossings in England, agreed transition to the Euro and paid their membership fee. Every cloud and all that :)
     
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  8. It was never about Turkey.
     
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  9. Travelodge isn't a British company. It's an offshore tax dodger. :tongueout:
     
  10. I must say: this thread get soooo boring when you are away :D
     
  11. Agreed, the duke is a ledge & each post is more entertaining than the last. I'm starting to play a game with myself in trying to guess his next outlandish claim, he beats me everytime and what he actually comes out with is far more unbelieveably entertaining. :Hilarious:
     
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  12. I'm waiting to do his research for him :D. ;)
     
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  13. This thing about Eu nationals currently working & living in the UK not being given any guarantees is just ridiculous and i don't understand why some people don't get it?

    'We' (our government) can't give a guarantee until they understand how British expats will be treated following full Brexit by the other EU member states, its as simple as that.

    And whether British expats think it or not, at least our government is putting them first. Nobody is being used as a bargaining chip, we're looking after our own.

    Why should we put our cards on the table so early before even having any negotiations? Thats how these things are done, its how all negotiations are done, whether your buying a bike, a house or agreeing a business deal.

    It would just put us in a weaker state if we'd already publicly given assurances.

    How would these people speaking up for the rights of immigrants in the UK feel if we said they can all stay unconditionally.......then all of a sudden tens of thousands of British expats all get deported from whatever country they're in because thats what the other EU countries decide during the negotiations?

    I suppose they'd just wave their finger saying 'naughty naughty'?

    I guess to some people it wouldn't bother them, but then again these are usually the same beardy hipsters running around catching Pokemon whilst believing they've had their youth robbed by some useless 'old people'.........clowns.

    I fully understand uncertainty isn't good for immigrants, but that kind of goes with the territory of working and/or living in another country.

    Im sure many will be given the rights to remain, some equally will be asked to leave and they will, some won't and will live here (like many others) illegally.

    All these people shouting about these kind of things are either incredibly naive, more idealistic than Jeremy Corbyn or quite simply the worst people in the world to have in a negotiation environment.

    If people want to get on a moral high ground i suggest they do it with something a little more useful.....there are plenty of charities within the UK that need support, I would suggest they start with those, Id respect you a lot more as would 1000's of others.
     
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  14. I thought this thread was about Brexit? How have we got back to the tired old Corporation Tax subject? I'm not interested in that - large international companies will follow legal requirements and that includes paying many local taxes (VAT, Council tax, NI, Income tax - loads of it). Corporation tax is always going to be troublesome, especially because of its interplay with taxation of dividends (paid to shareholders, who may then have a tax liability depending on where they reside) and the fact that, for instance, within the EU there is no harmonisation of corporation tax rates. The more greedy governments become in this area, the less investment they will see, and and that means lower tax receipts in the long run.
     
  15. So you think large international companies pay lots of taxes, do you?
    * VAT is paid by the ultimate consumer, not by corporations - they just collect it.
    * Corporations do not pay any Income Tax whatever - that is paid exclusively by individuals.
    * Council Tax is paid by persons occupying residential properties, which corporations rarely do.
    * National Insurance Employees contributions are paid exclusively by individuals - corporations pay only the Employers portion.

    Yes, Corporation Tax is a big deal, and a long-running scandal. And no, nobody is going to avoid mentioning the subject because you think it's "tired". Many large corporations are still to this day wangling their figures for intra-company transfer payments in such a way that they end up paying absurdly, unfairly small amounts of Corporation Tax on their huge turnovers and huge profits. Although this abuse has been exposed many times, it has not been cured. The UK's current account deficit problem would be solved at a stroke if it was. And the current set-up is especially unfair to small and medium sized companies which lack the scope for avoiding tax in this way.

    It is true that Corporation Tax rates are not harmonised across the EU member states. So if they were harmonised, would that be a good thing or a bad thing?
     
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  16. Bad thing. Because then we really would see business exit the UK
     
  17. So it's only the UK's tax regime that brings business into the UK and keeps them here? Interesting viewpoint.
     
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  18. Rather than edit my post, which would be underhand, I should have said that businesses "generate" tax revenue, to avoid focussing on who "pays" tax, which ultimately will always be individuals (VAT being a classic example, and also a tax designed to be difficult to avoid). Also, I mentioned Council Tax, and should have said Business Rates. I have always got the impression from payslips that the employer portion of NI is larger than the employee payment, but perhaps that is academic, as is the matter of income tax - if the business did not function, the NI and income tax would not be generated. to bring this back to the EU though, I don't see any harmonisation happening any time soon, although some in Brussels may have it as a long term federal objective:
    Tax rates in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I am sure that the Irish corporation tax regime must have some influence on where multinational businesses invest and trade from.
     
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