A different animal - I have a 2014 z1ooo which is buttery smooth and easy to drive....the hyper is noiser, clunkier but is more involving and fun to ride...its the way the hyper pulls you...like nothing else...!! totally different bikes to ride but, its a choice that you have to make (if you have just the one bike)
Hey Cottonbreath Sorry for not seeing your posts earlier. I missed the false neutrals from the first post. They were awful, but have become better (not perfect) with time. I'm really pleased to hear your experiences have mirrored mine: if nothing other than as a verification that my arse isn't completely losing its connection! I have to say that the the only point where I "crossed over" from questioning it to accepting it is the one where I realised I had to change and not the bike. This thing is by no means the fastest thing I've ridden, but it just needs to be ragged like no other bike I've owned. Anything less than 100% hooligan and it feels soft, sloppy and "safe". Once I got 700mi on the clock, I took it up to 8k rpm. Once over 1,000, I've ridden it hard. For me, it's like reliving my first foray into supermotos 10+yrs ago - just madder. Personally (and not advising you on personal safety, of course!), I'd hang the damper and ride it like it wants to be ridden: continuous inputs like a bucking bronco. I don't think it's perfect, and it's definitely not "a Ducati" as you'd know it, but thrash it and you might just enjoy it. Feel free to PM me if there's anything you'd like to discuss. L
The street triple r is considered by many to be the perfect street bike and super refined and balanced for a great price. To me the hyper is offering a combination of ergonomics, engine and size that is hard to find elsewhere.
I see! loads better...... Still, seems poor engineering from Ducati for not being able to get it 'right' when seems other manufacturers can? And again, for the premium price, customers shouldn't have to spending more cash on Dyno's etc etc...
Hi L, No worries for not seeing my posts - out on your bike I should hope! Yeah, Im kind of gathering its my mindset that needs a remap...... It does strike me as a bike that has to be ridden hard and man handled to suit - something I can't really do until 1st services is done. Maybe then I too will grow to like.. Im probably gonna get it to the 1st service and see how I fair from that point. Like any bike, you don't really get a true reflection until that point where you can begin to give it some beans.. I agree, it is heavy, however I do find it probably helps keep it planted. With this much rage in a bike, any lighter and we 'd be seeing a lot of spares parts on eBay! Cheers R
I think youre missing the point cottonbreath....its my opinion (and a lot of others on here I would guess) that dyno work is not something that ducati's need - its something that pretty well most bikes need....just to push the point home....heres my z1ooo... Not as big a gain as the hyper but there were a lot more other mods that made it into a much more rideable bike ie secondary injector cut in time for one. The secondary injectors in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd were cutting in sooner in 4th, 5th and 6th - something Chris corrected in the first 3 gears. If you want to get the most out of it - get it mapped. My main gripe with Duc's is the quality of coatings - they just peel and corrode for a past time but again, if its something you can put up with and swap fixings, fittings and get stuff recoated then theyre great. The other side of the argument is that - hey, its a new bike, you shouldn't have to!! My RSV4 is now getting on for 6 years old and its in really nice condition compared to my year newer hyper with the same amount of miles. Ive just had to do more work to the hyper to stay on top of the coatings...
If it was me and I owned a brand new 939sp....full system, replace all the fixings round the bottom of the bike with either Ti or stainless, a decent air filter or maybe even velocity stacks (if they exist, ive not looked) and then get it dyno'd - keep all the spare stuff and if I get any problems return it back to stock for warranty work. Maybe I'm being a little bit harsh on it as everything ive read is from a stock point of view and I ride mine (pretty well with the above done) and mines an animal but beautifully easy to ride in heavy city traffic...
I hear ya....I think my problem is Im too busy trying to make comparisons with the previous bikes Ive owned. Ive been lucky in the past that the bikes have been spot on (for me anyway) out of the box and my brain can't get over that fact.
Heh - that's cos you've never been on anything that been dyno'd - riding my zed home from the bloke I bought it from it felt exactly as the reviews said, buttery smooth throttle, stable handling, rapid and comfortable. Now its modded and been on the dyno then add 20% of everything to that...
Cotton is this your first Ducati? They're all sloppy and hard work low down. My street triple is super smooth low down, but the again had fuck all power down there unlike the hyper.
Yup, 1st Ducati. Decided I'm gonna stop being so wet and crack on riding it as opposed to moaning about it. In time, I'll get it on the Dyno. Dealer is gonna check over it for any probs, as they should at 1st service. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I think your problems are totally legit... It just a case of what you want to do about it... Its a double edged sword it really is but I'd go the mods and dyno route and let the thing breath... Sent from my SM-P900 using Tapatalk
I reckon these Ducati twins behave like that out of the dealer no other way and seems to me that Ducati intended them to be like that. Poor engineering or not. I do think that if one wants the most balanced motorcycle engines there is today then a triple would be the right bet. But Ducati being a twin has done small steps to make it smoother. Have to say that the hyper in particular is kind of jerky in comparison to other new ducati bikes such as the monster 1200R or the Panigale 959, here i refer to throttle response. HOWEVER now after some 2500 it is smoothing and feels better BUT also me having found more its sweet spot, so a combination. I did gave Ducati the feedback that they should do something about that ride by wire system though.
I think it really depends on what you, as a rider expect from what youre riding.....im in the unbelievably lucky position of having a wife that puts up with me so ive got 3 in the garage to suit whatever mood I'm in....taking the hyper (mine for example) I totally expect, clunky, torquey, involvement, noise, etc etc if I'm on my zed I expect smooth, relaxed (if I'm in that mood), comfort etc etc RSV4 - speaks for itself....its the package that comes with that bike...make sense??or am I talking shite? as much as the desmo engine has moved on - at the end of the day....its a lumpy twin...
Agree with you! That is why I have a S1000R whenever I am willing to have clear throttle response on all moods, slow, city or sporty...
