Hi Guys, Was wondering, does anyone of you with a 1299-S lives in the area Spondon (Derby)? For quite some time now I'am busy with ProShift in order to get a power shifter and they are located in Spondon. The trouble is that they never experienced a 1299 for their shift system and they need to see such bike in their workshop in order to sell me the right system. (they did a 1199 which works just fine, but a 1299 is different cause it has the downshift blipper as well..) Cheers, Remy
@JenC and @jompy live in Spondon - but Jen has a Hyper and Jon has a Yam. I know......................................................I'm as much use as men's tits
Hahaha.. No that's no use indeed. They do need specific a 1299. But thanks anyway for your response, hopefully there's somebody out there in the area. Familiar with Roy and Lynda from Proshift in Spondon?
Spondon is about a mile from me as the crow flies. I am not familiar with Proshift. What needs doing and on whose behalf? Send me a PM with the details...
I would be happy if I only could find out how to send a PM.. :weary: But no secrets here, I'll write down my question tonight and post it. Maybe the input of other members can be useful as well. (and since you guys in the UK it does make a difference.. posts at the US blogs result always in a pile of stupid remarks, I know it better answers or why should do this or that..)
Okay, here's the story.. I would like to have a power shifter on my 1299. We do drag races (¼ mile) with our bikes and we thought this would be a great feature to have in order to control our shifting proces better. After a lot of reseach and buying a UK made Translogic servo controlled power shifter we experienced that this system did not do the job as well in the higher RPM's. Apparently the torque and tension on the gearbox is so high at full throttle acceleration, that the servo power shifter was not strong and fast enough to push it in the next gear. Then we came at Roy and Lynda from Proshift in Spondon. They did develop quite a nice system (solenoid operated) and mounted it on the 1199 of Raymond Roche, which worked just fine. During our experiment with the Translogic servo power shifter we run in the problem as described below (which I notified ProShift of in text below) As you guys know a 1299 is factory equipped with a up and down quick shifter. The bike’s ECU gets a signal from a microswitch mounted on the shift rod which detects if the driver is shifting up or down. (The ECU will cut fuel or ignition on that specific signal from the microswitch on the gear rod) Also the driver has the option to either able or unable the quick shift system in the driver settings. In a setup we did unplug the micro switch and set the the quick shift option ‘unable' in the drivers settings. If unplugged, even when the quick shift mode is turned off, immediately red flags appear on the dash by engaging the second gear. Check engine light comes on and the drivers mode (WET, STREET of RACE) start flashing at the dash warning the driver something is wrong. The ECU is trying to tell the driver that their is a fault in the system and/or the microswitch does not operate well or is damaged. Then we even took the whole gear rod -including the microswitch- out, tied it on the chassis but let it plugged into the harness and replaced it with a steady gear rod of exactly the same length; same red flags and warnings. Apparently the ECU still needs some kind of signal from the microswitch to keep the bike in good operating mode without all kind of warnings at the dash. In the ProShift configuration the whole shift lever is removed and with that also the gear rod and microswitch of course. Even though your system is completely ‘stand alone’ on the fuel or ignition cutting, it seems the bike’s ECU still requires a signal from the microswitch. Nevertheless, during our try-out set up it seems that everything still works okay (except the quick shifter) but as you might understand the downside is that by continuous having a red flag and having a check engine light on, you can’t tell if something else is wrong. Just unplugging the switch or tie the whole OEM quick shifter to the chassis (plugged in but not using it) will not solve the problem. The ECU apparently needs a signal. The microswitch is just a 3 pin dual switch; pushing the shift rod down giving signal ‘A' and pulling the shift rod up signal ‘B’. I guess you guys know exactly how these micro switches work. I also guess 'the work' is done in the bike’s ECU, not in the micro switch; that is just sending signal A or B. Note: as the microswitch is plugged in again, the 'red flags' immediately disappear again and everything is back normal. What we did noticed as well; if the OEM shift rod is not adjusted to the exact correct length as given by the workshop manual (and therefore the microswitch gives a premature or delayed signal to the ECU) the red flags appear as well. Apparently the ECU needs to get this signal just at the right time during the shifting process. I’am not sure how the ECU measures this ‘right time’ in combination with the exact position of the gearbox lever. Maybe by the OEM gear position sensor? But a fact is that the signal given by the micro switch needs to be at a specific time during the shift process. After a ton of emails back and forward with Lynda (operational manager of ProShift) they start searching for a 1299 to see if they can get one on site in order to develop. Until today they where not able get a 1299 on site. We also discussed the possibility to insert a pressure switch in their system (from the quick shifter by Translogic) so the ECU does receive its blipping signal and prevent the 'red flags' even though the OEM quick shifter system is disabled. So here's the final question.. Who could help me out in the Derby area and contact Lynda for a meeting. In that order the technicians are able to see a 1299 in real and discuss what the right solution would be. I guess the just want to see a 1299 in real and find out what is the technical difference is with the 1199 the already did. On their website you can find the contact number: ( Contact Us About Paddle Shift Systems ) and if you mention my name, Lynda will know exactly who I'am. (Remy from the Caribbean) It feels like I have a steady relationship with here according the amount of emails we exchanged at this time..:tonguewink: Are you able to help me out?
I will be paying them a visit this afternoon. You're dead lucky; I am off on holiday tomorrow for a week. I don't think that the pushrod length makes any difference. I have aftermarket rearsets fitted that required a longer pushrod. The up and down shifts still work without issue. The rod itself contains two springs and is slightly telescopic in nature. The springs are strong enough to move the shift arm to the point where it meets resistance by the gearbox. As the pressure continues to build, the spring is then compressed. As the spring compresses, the length of the pushrod changes and it operates one of the micro switches that cut the power (for a an up shift) or blip the throttle (for a down shift).
Great you are able to drive by them, thanks! Hope that they are able to figure out some solution to get the set ready for a 1299. Hmm, strange you did not experience any trouble with the length of the shiftrod. In the 1299 workshop manual Ducati is very specific about this length of the (OEM) shiftrod. Also a lot of riders tell me that the Translogic shiftrod with pressure sensor works far more better and smoother than the OEM shiftrod with the mechanical micro switch. Any experience on that? Keep me posted how you experience was at ProShift!
Okay, well hopefully I'll get some positive news from them next week. Again, thank you very much for driving up to them. Funny how things can get arranged from 9000 miles overseas through a forum..
Ben, A 1199 they did already, they have the specs of this bike. Due of the downshift blipper they needed to see a 1299 and Dave drove by yesterday so they took measurements and took photo's.. But Thanks for your offer!
