British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Did Bob Marley do it?
     
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  2. some say it was james stuart. my moneys on Colin's nephew Mungo.
     
  3. Were Mary and Midge his accomplices? :)
     
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  4. quite possibly, same era init? :p :smileys:
     
  5. basic stuff. probably why i like it.
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  6. I've heard that population centres are already emptying out and roving bands of bandits are raiding farms and homesteads.

    Or was that an episode of Fear The Walking Dead? I forget.
     
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  7. I may very well be wrong, but to be honest i personally believe much of this is engineered to do a few things.

    Firstly our economy isn't doing too bad at all, and so with our financial service sector traders no doubt mopping up with all the currency fluctuations (they never really lose) and exports becoming more appealing as a result of those fluctuations, for the time being at least its helping the economy. Its almost like making hay whilst we can before any tariffs change/are imposed (currently there are none obviously)

    Christine Lagarde defends IMF's 'very, very bad' Brexit warnings

    However long term i don't really believe 'Hard Brexit' is the plan.

    Only in this last few days has there been more and more people coming out in regards to a 2nd referendum which will be about the terms of our exit.

    British diplomat who wrote article 50 says 'people should be allowed to vote on final terms of Brexit' | The Independent

    I have no doubt that we should still leave the EU, but the terms will be key and theres no way on earth that Theresa May will walk blindly in to something which will ruin the country.

    She's not a stupid woman by any stretch, probably far more switched on and stern in negotiation than any of our more recent PM's.

    So current posturing may very be designed to have the impact its having, thats what i think.

    Then we get on to this 2nd Referendum, which if on the terms of Article 50 may not be a bad idea.

    IF done via an Election that also plays in to the hands of May.

    Labour simply don't have the clout they used to and UKIP are a shambles.

    If May brings some options to the table , or says she'll simply deliver what the majority want then she's locked in to power for 4 years and gets a more sympathetic vote in how we go about the Brexit.

    You'll probably find a larger swing the 2nd time around in terms of how we complete the Brexit.

    Again, all just theories but it wouldn't bloody surprise me.

    Why make all the decisions yourself at the risk of being seen to have buggered it up and ruin your election chances?

    Simply put it to the people as part of your election campaign that you'll deliver what they want for Article 50, it cant get worse than Hard Brexit anyway so any movement on that will be a winner for the majority.
     
  8. Initially hard Brexit will happen regardless as we will be bound by WTO rules and it's not possible to negotiate deals until we have left (at least that is how I understand it) and bearing in mind these trade deals take years to complete we could be working under those rules for 5 or 10 years. That would be disastrous for the UK.
     
  9. I've highlighted the flaw in your argument for you.
     
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  10. If it were to happen regardless then why are all these business leaders pleading not to opt for a hard brexit? They're not asking to reverse the decision to leave, just the decision on our stance when negotiating

    Surely if it were to happen regardless then they're wasting their breath, as is the man who wrote the Article 50, I'm pretty sure he must be clued up on things so why would he say what he is?
     
  11. Because we can opt for the same deal as Switzerland and Norway before we leave and then for business little will change. Again that is as I understand it. But if there is no deal in place then you have to use WTO rules.
     
  12. How do you manage to be so ill informed? It's quite staggering.

    I don't know what you think is going to happen in the during the 2 year negotiating process (during which we are still part of the EU) after article 50 is triggered that would lead to WTO rules at the end of it, presumably 2 years of absolutely nothing.
     
  13. the UK cannot negotiate until we leave the EU
    It is interesting. If Belgium can do this why then has not the UK government?

    “Look at a country like Belgium,” she said. “To live in Brussels you need to have a social security card, you need to be registered with your local area. And you have to have an employer who is committed to pay your social security benefits – or to be able to prove that you’ve got substantial private funds.


    “In practical terms it is not possible go and live in Belgium and access public services without a job ... Without your social security card you can’t get housing, education, healthcare, rent a property.”

    The UK public has been sold a pack of lies throughout the whole referendum and we are going to end up with agreements that damage our society and the ordinary citizen's rights on a large scale.
     
  14. Wrong again, negotiations start when article 50 is invoked, didn't read any further, bro ably more untruths ;)
     
  15. So Now its ok to restrict immigation on basis of job or no go, because Belgium do? The lies and hidden agendas of the EU continues to astound
     
  16. The article seems to point out that there are degrees as to what free movement of people actually entails.

    Judging by the examples given there's absolutely no reason why the UK couldn't take this or mixture of approaches, the EU negotiatiors would be fundamentally going against what they profess to stand for if they denied the UK the freedom to make those same choices.

    It can't be one rule for one and something different for another.

    Pre agreed work contracts for immigrants would be an easy sell to the UK public as well, it also makes perfect sense to have that arrangement.
     
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