The whole referendum thing must rank as one of the biggest political shambles in British history. The rest of the world is pissing themselves laughing at the ineptitude of it all.
I suppose some clarification might be helpful. "Binding", in a lawyer's mind, means an obligation that must be followed. Whereas the idea of an "obligation" is not at all clearly understood by the lawyerly mind. I hope that this helps.
Interesting read, DB. I can already see how it is that the Supreme Court will overturn the High-to-middling Court
I agree in regards to floundering of politicians since the result, but in reality it was a fairly straight forward thing. In or Out, that part went pretty smoothly for the majority. Its just hard to comprehend that today we're all waking up with even more unanswered questions now that this recent hurdle has been thrown in the way. Although having a few more heads involved in what we want from trading terms isn't going to hurt i suppose. The fact that the BOE has had to revise upwards its growth forecast more so than at any point in history showed some resilience from the UK economy, which is good news for everybody. That however is being undermined by the negative impact of this . Sure, people will say its early days yet, but i suspect at any point in the next 10 years if the UK economy goes in to a recession those remain voters will point the finger at Brexit, whilst in reality a recession could (and has) hit many times in the past whether in the EU or not. Whether a remainer or brexiter, i think most people just wanted things to get moving. This now just puts a brake on something that was already being dragged out, and quite uneccesarily may i add.
The referendum should have been done properly in the first place. It was either legally binding or not. If not it should have been a way at looking how to change what was perceived as the issues involved rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater and start everything again. In view of the fact it was a relatively threeway result, it seems the UK is very much split into those who wanted to remain, those who wanted to leave and those who couldn't be arsed at all. There isn't really a mandate for much change there.
Just one correction to the above, I believe that many Remoaners will not want things to "get moving". The same instincts that result in Remoaners not minding the anti-democratic nature of the EU means that they will not be in the slightest bit troubled that the will of the British people is being ignored by vested interests. The principles of democracy are irrelevant, they just want to be ruled.
i dont get this remoaners thing? if you continue to make the claim that the majority new what exactly brexit is/was/gonna be is total bolox. your burying yer head in the sand. i haven't heard anyone saying it cant happen.
Don't spoil the funm, finm! The Brexit Referendum was never meant to be binding, it was meant to put the idea of Brexit to bed, forever. Unfortunately, someone goofed and the stupid public voted in favour of Brexit. We must now endure an interminable period of legal challenges, double-speak, back-sliding and doom-mongering, until we finally achieve a U-Turn and can go back to being good little c̶h̶a̶t̶t̶e̶l̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶c̶o̶r̶p̶o̶r̶a̶t̶o̶c̶r̶a̶c̶y̶ Europeans. Just like with IndyRef except the majority of voters showed some gumption with Brexit.
did they really? the majority? no 16 or 17 year olds.the ones that will be affected the most affected. (voted to leave in indi) EU nationals did they vote? they did up here, and voted to remain. because they where told they couldn't stay in an indi scotland. not to mention all the proper whoppers told by the big boys and girls at westminster dude. you cant have it both ways.
in fact yer opinions seem a bit "elastic" "stretching" the truth slightly maybe? "bouncing" all over the place even. hmm LL.
We are re-defining democracy now, finm? Don't like the result, let's ask someone else instead? You're a Eurocrat through and through. You've already eliminated democracy in your region of the UK to all intents and purposes, and insist that the rest of the UK follows suit. shameful finm shameful Hilarious though that you want the most important questions to rest in the hands of 16/17 year-olds, with their accumulated wisdom and long experience of living in the real world :Hilarious:
I would say that the anti-democracy thing can be quite squarely planted at May's door. She was happy to go it alone and decide the future of Britain and its population and its jobs by just deciding among herself and a very few cabinet ministers how that would happen. We heard nothing but 'the sovereignty of the British Parliament' from the Leave camp during the referendum, and now that the same British Parliament wants a say in how we leave, they throw up their arms and says its not democratic.
Nonsense. Of course you can comment on things you don't know, ff! You have form, after all :Smuggrin:
