Still happening...theres even a queue in the Pidoux snackpoint,(Calais Pidoux,not Tran Marck)...not seen a lurking immigrant here yet though...
I don't believe ( but correct me if i am wrong) we can continue our current trade deals with other ROW countries under the same terms we agreed as an EU nation, after we leave the EU as the deal is with the EU and not the UK. I understand we have to revert to WTO deals with everyone unless new terms are agreed beforehand. What if those counties don't like those terms 'EU' anyway and think that can get a deal that is more weighted in their favour? None us this will be simple or straight forward and could take many years to sort out ( not two years).
Nigel Farage made Nick Clegg look like the slimy lying toad he is; during the pre vote TV debates. Nick Clegg managed to show everyone that he's even worse than we thought, all by himself today. Andrew Neil simply gave him the bullets and must have watched in delight as Nick Clegg decided to play Russian Roulette with them.
I'm not going to profess that I'm an expert, or by any means 100% sure. However, as I understand it, that's exactly what we can do, IF we wish. ......Although I may be wrong (likely) However, as you say, certain countries may not like the terms outlined previously by the EU and what they stipulate, as such that gives us all a common ground and a building block to work from. It's not to be feared, on the contrary I welcome it as it's more likely to end up a better trade deal for us all. Equally trading under WTO rules isn't as bad as people would have you believe, not from what I've watched and read. In some instances, food for example, prices should actually come down for everything not sourced directly from an EU member. Yes you could argue that we import most from EU members, and so it'll be hard to find new suppliers? But no, not really for product sourcing teams who do that as a job. It's all pretty basic stuff. Its no different to the purchasers at my current workplace, they buy things from Europe, but push come to shove its not like we couldn't source similar product, all be it a different brand from the US, far east etc Obviously the EU are not by any stretch of the imagination the only suppliers of food produce worldwide, and as before when I mentioned healthy competition, do you honestly think they'd damage their own economies by ruling themselves out of the supply chain? No, the same suppliers of food produce in to the UK from mainland Europe are also 'possibly' buyers from the UK so its unlikely they'd want to risk that. Therefore if they all of a sudden become uncompetitive they'd need to act or take the hit to their T/O. People need to think sensibly about what businesses need, not just in our country, but in others. Take Germany and Ireland as two great examples. Both of their economies would pretty much stall if they didn't trade with the UK, that's just fact as we're too large a partner. As such, do you honestly think that we'd not be trading with the EU 'single market'? I genuinely don't understand why people are even questioning that, i mean come on, who in their right mind would even suggest we don't trade with the EU? As such if you trade with the EU, you access that 'single market'. I 'think' they're getting confused with us being a member, which you don't need to be to simply trade. Thats like saying the USA, Canada and so on cant trade with the EU because their not members, its just ridiculous scaremongering or lack of basic common sense. As for how long it should take to agree access, well we already meet all of the criteria for access to the single market, All of it. Thats because we've been doing it for years and are doing it today, we did it yesterday, will be tomorrow and the week after etc etc What reason or stumbling block would we have? To deny access would be catastrophic to certain EU members economies and seen as nothing more than vindictive and self harming Therefore it's purely what tariffs should apply , if at all (see previous tit for tat statement) I suspect there will be some Tariffs, but again offset that with the fact we'd apply 'some' tariffs on trade back in to the UK, and also we wouldn't be paying the membership fee (Tariff payments upfront) Again, it is NOT free trade if you're having to pay membership fees. I highly recommend watching and listening to Jacob Rees-mogg. Yes he's a conservative MP and extremely posh, Actually quite far removed from somebody I would usually gravitate towards. But just listen to how informed, calm and direct he is when answering any journalist with these 'scary' questions Yes he supports Brexit, but he does so in such a way that he's genuinely one of the only politicians I actually trust when he speaks. Far too many people, politicians included, are muddling up words and terminology to continue the public hysteria and uncertainty. It's simply not necessary. We will I suspect be going for a full Brexit, call it hard if you wish but unless we accept free movement of people that's the only choice. But what does that even mean? It means we are no longer a paying EU member. And it means we dont get 'Free' (used loosely) access to the single market But it doesn't mean we don't retain the current workers rights which Jeremy Corbyn wants, he knows they'll be retained and thats why he won't block article 50. It doesn't mean everybody from EU nations will be automatically kicked out. I suspect they'll need to apply for a work Visa, and so, if they are indeed working, wheres the problem? We have a few people from the EU at my work, two from Germany, one from France. They have jobs at our place and we'd wish to retain them. As such we'd simply fill in any of the required forms and prove employment however we'd need to. I genuinely am not remotely worried about it There's a lot of smoke and mirrors around this whole thing but one thing is for certain; The majority of the world is NOT in the EU, therefore one more not in the EU is hardly going to cause the end of the world.
Has it happened yet? Nah....I have been spouting NOT since it first arose...... .....it's beginning to show I have been right all along. (Even though it's not what I want - but I'm a cynic).
Is the link about this? As Philip Hammond grants Wentworth Woodhouse a £7.6million lifeline we saucy sex secrets of the biggest stately home Well ok, i can see why us normal folk would be annoyed with that, but lets be honest, JRM has been a fairly vocal critic of the Chancellor, and i doubt even they would have come up with the grand idea that £7m was a way for them to bury the hatchet It looks more like its an investment to a heritage site and thats only good for tourism and Britain as a whole. Yes we could let places like this crumble to the ground and save the money, but why would we? I don't see why that has any bearing on his informed and intellectual view of the EU Like i said, he's a very posh bloke, but he's actually very grounded and comfortable in his own skin, thats how he comes across to me at least. He doesn't come across as demeaning or like he thinks he's better than anybody, and doesn't pretend he's something he's not like David 'I'm just a regular bloke' cameron
His family or whoever actually owns it should be finding the money themselves, like you and I would have to, or sell the property. Its not the Government's responsibility to fund privately owned houses regardless of what they are, especially for such ridiculous money in a time when the Government doesn't actually have any spare money.
did you not watch the wasp debate i posted up? the one that labour didn't bother to show up for)again) that got talked out of time by the torys again?.that was the thrust of the argument. onyhoo. although its good to vent, your talking to predominately people that can only see figures. they dont see the people behind them. pensions are now benefits. most commenting on this thread will have private pensions and don't believe in social security and benefits.
At least finm has learned something from all of this. Filibustering is evil, anti-democratic and, what's more, actually pre-dates Maastricht!
I find this hard to believe. It is in everyone's interest that we have a welfare state and I can't believe that many people would argue otherwise. The state pension along with the NHS are central to that welfare state and they remain free at the point of delivery to those who have built an entitlement through their contributions. I see nothing wrong with this. What is right is that we have a reasoned debate on the size and scope of that welfare state. The old economic argument of "demand is infinite and supply is limited" is nowhere more evident than in the welfare state, it will consume everything it is given and still come back asking for more, there needs to be limits.
yip. a debate would be nice but that was the issue. the lack of it. and filibustered out of time. think that was the third snp private members bill this year wrecked. on a uk issue. pensions are being eroded jv. your nhs also and subsequently ours too because of it. people are dying due to sanctions its all happening. i Danial Blake aint a fictitious story jv. and it don't take a genius to make the link with brexit
So human error is a natural consequence of not being a member state of the EU? How does the rest of the World cope? I guess it doesn't
re sanctions? 9 out of 10 was the failure rate. maybe it does happen else where but if it was euro related the MSM would be full of it. although they mostly are. anyhoo, venting done. for now.
It'll all be academic soon. Europhiles have lost the referendum in Italy. The Italian banks will soon need bailing out. There is no chance of that. You want to see proper fillibustering? Wait to see how they try to talk away the next Eurozone crisis. Well, I say next, its the same continual inevitable ongoing crisis of a cardboard currency that was doomed from the outset. The next installment will be Greece turned up to eleven. And you won't have to wait long. Italy will pull out of the Euro. It won't get its bailout because there's nothing to bail it out with and if there was they won't be at the front of the queue. Merkel may yet have to bail out German banks. And then France will elect Le Pen and that really will put the tin hat on the whole sorry shambles. And not before time.
finm, as you know, the MSM serve the purposes of corporatists. The EU also serves the purposes of corporatists. The political class as a whole serves the purposes of corporatists. If you remember these three points, you can make sense out of just about everything you see in politics (with the possible exception of Boris Johnson - how he serves the corporatists purposes, or any other purpose for that matter, remains unclear to me). You are now qualified to talk about politics. Now, go prove Elise wrong and show us you're not crap at it. Go on, boy!
there you go with the,...nope fin, be nice. take a wee look at the private interests of the main brexiters, BT group and trump etc etc. then you will be qualified to talk politics with me. all these single countries will be played like a fiddle when it comes to the negotiations with the corporations. you private pension holders will demand it.
