America seem to be negotiating well with the EU http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2016/october/tradoc_155027.pdf
To be fair most of Europe said no to Ttip also. It was one of Obi's pet projects that was awful for people. What is effectively did was allow companies to sue governments if it effects the company, For example if a government wanted to bring in a new law to benefit the people but it meant business would lose money or may have to change their practices, they would have the right to sue the government. Under Ttip, Brexit would never have happened as companies would hold governments to account and sue the hell out of them or lock it into court cases for years and years to delay any action, no matter what the voters and democratically elected government wanted If the nhs wanted to lock out a overseas company say for drugs purchases because we wanted to produce them here, they could also sue. Thankfully, Trump is more likely to Scrap Nafta, the All Americas version of Ttip=ish and he wants to agree individual countries deals which is where that style will see us benefit. The SNP might have balls it up for the Scots but I'm sure he will see they are part of the U.K.
just a quick correction compare SNHS and your NHS nuff said? camoran was the ttip champion. Are the SNP opposed to the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)? - The SNP and http://newsnet.scot/citizen/news-nhs-scotland-performs-better-may-not-know/ https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ttip+snp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=AHx0WKKUH-
Is it me, am I reading this wrong? Corbyn: Labour not wedded to EU free movement - BBC News Jeremy Corbyn: UK can be better off out of the EU | Politics | The Guardian So Jeremy is in one hand talking about exit from the EU being good for Britain, whilst saying that he still wants full access to the single market (we'll come to that) and the cherry on the cake is that he thinks he'll be able to get the EU to totally change the way free movement is now? Hang on a minute, I smell a rat. It's like he's saying half of something he's been asked to say and half of what he actually believes. Please Jeremy, enlighten us, how are you going to leave the EU, still have full access to the single market and get them to change the way immigration works? In fact on that latter point, if we've left, why do we need to get the EU to change anything? Surely if your intention is to actually leave the EU then we regain full powers anyway? Sounds almost like the Cameron plan all over again, handbrake 2 anyone? What a crock of....... At least the pm is straight talking, and yet her opposition keep twisting their views to gain votes whilst accusing her of having no plan. The hypocrisy is staggering, Labour don't even seem to know what their own party plan is, let alone views on the EU. Now then, access to the single market. What in gods name are people talking about? Do they mean 'free access'? Yes, the 'free' that is entirely incorrect as by gaining the 'free' part you have to by default be a paid up member, that kind of goes against the word 'free' doesn't it children......honestly It is not FREE if you have to pay. So, if that's not what Jeremy means by 'access to the single market', then what does he mean? Does he simply mean he wants Britain to be able to buy goods from, and sell goods to the EU? For businesses already in business relations with EU partners to be able to continue those relations? Ok, those two points I understand. But if we're out of the EU, trade agreements for areas of industry need to be negotiated (are you following Jeremy) Some will be reciprocal and therefore none chargeable. They will be in the interests of all parties to make 'free' But what about the areas whereby costs do increase? Because they will in some areas, what's your stance on that Jezza? Roll over? Pledge to stay and get the EU to change from within over the next century? I'm more confused with Labour now than I was before Again, maybe I'm reading this wrong
UK in 'front seat' for US trade deal, top Republican says - BBC News Doesn't sound like we'll have an issue striking a decent trade deal with the USA, and that in itself being made public can only help with our negotiations with the EU. The more countries that become vocal about separate trade deals with the UK, the better our relationship with the EU will become. You probably find certain supplying countries start to worry about their existing trade levels with us. So if they (the EU) come across too tough in general, theres a chance they could lose out to somebody else from a country outside the EU As such its more likely they'll soften a stance, as long as we don't profess to be 'special' or cherry picking parts of the membership. We need to be polite, humble and professional in approach. The EU gets to retain its 'principles', whilst we get to go about our business.
The access is free to business. Business doesn't like red tape and regulation when it comes to trading. It means employing more staff, making it more costly and longer to transact business and send and receive goods. In any case our customs service in the UK is not fit for purpose in that regard. Again you would have to take on more staff, train them up, introduce computer systems to cope. Whatever agreements are reached elsewhere none of it is entirely free as by their definition agreements have to work for both parties so there will be a give and take. To replace the 47% or so of export business we do by selling our goods to the EU will take decades if it is even possible at all. If you add a tariff of 10% or so by definition you would expect that business to fall by an equivalent percentage.
Agreed, in some respects. In regards to 'red tape', you talk as though there is none whilst being a member of the EU, when there is, its just that UK companies have absorbed the rules & regs in to daily working over the many years we've been a member. As such we already comply with all EU regulations, and so its likely any further work involved to export goods to the EU will be as minimal as possible. Again, IF the EU spitefully made that awkward, we would simply apply the same logic to any supplier from the EU wishing to sell their goods in the UK, what good will that do any of us? Its just playground bullshit that will look nothing more than a bullying tactic, nobody likes a bully especially when they're called out and exposed. You can talk about percentages of trade all day long, from the UK to the EU, from the EU to the UK, but ultimately EU businesses still want to retain their access to the UK un-fettled, and theres lots of them so lets not think they won't want the boat rocked either. As for employing more staff and making it more costly to do business within the EU it 'might' be the case with huge corporations, but if its a matter of forms to fill in which will no doubt be electronic (if at all) i cant see many small to medium sized businesses requiring extra staff because of that. on your final point, I agree, again almost.... Firstly, we're not going to have to 'replace' 47% percent of exports. Simply by saying that you're eluding to an event whereby the current EU buyers of UK products are simply not going to want them anymore, or indeed they can source the same thing, made to the same spec elsewhere within the EU block. Ludicrous. Why on earth will businesses throughout the EU all of a sudden want to cut off their long standing supply of goods/services and be forced in to sourcing all over again? Perhaps their respective representatives sat at the EU table of 27 are going to go back to their countries and say 'you cant buy from the UK anymore, thats brilliant news isn't it guys'?// NOT GOING TO HAPPEN If widely purchased/traded items are made more expensive unnecessarily then yes you can expect a likely drop in physical number of sales. But that door swings both ways and everyone seems to keep forgetting that many EU businesses are reliant on UK trade. They will suffer just as much, and for those areas of industry its more likely we'll just agree status quo. Again, 'some' areas of business will be affected, especially in the short term whilst we're fresh from leaving and in the midst of striking up alternative trade deals with other nations. The issues are obvious, but not insurmountable. Its just that some people haven't switched their head on to getting the job done yet and working toward positive solutions, they're still moaning about 'Ifs and buts' All break ups are messy, sometimes they end up very amicable and you both end up in a more positive place with new relations. Sometimes people dwell on the past and never move forward. i know what sort of person i am
My line of work has seen a huge amount of change forced on it by this government in the last few years or so and to be honest most of its has been appalling handled and thought through with no real interest in the actual impact of it. With that in mind i find it hard to see that Brexit will be anything other than a similar sort of guesswork, badly thought through law and red tape. I think i am just getting too old for all this shit.
Well I can't disagree with you there mate, but unfortunately I see change happening regardless because of us leaving the EU. Change however doesn't have to be bad, it could be better
You mean like the EU has when agreements need 28 countries or the future U.K. agreements where they only have one country to deal with and massive amount of red tape removed? Most of the world works, sells and buys under WTO agreements and not the EU cartel. They seem to do plenty ok. This works on the duke premise that all trade between Europe and the U.K. will cease, which of course it will not, just silly people claim it will. Tariffs will not be an issue, if they add them, we add them, they know that, we know that and no one wants that.
Yeah the pessimism business is tough Not to old for shit duke, you excel but possibly so old that change is like a new pair of slippers that you put on the wrong feet?
I've been told that it is actually getting worse, too. But why? Why is it getting worse, now, of all times?
Business will put us much pressure on the UK to do a deal with no tariffs as it will in Germany. And as I have said all along business will do what suits them best regardless of what Governments try to do.
