I see the vote as expected has gone against the government in that it must go to the house for a vote to launch article 50, as mentioned, not unexpected. What I didn't expect was they specifically included that no devolved government has a right to be consulted before triggering article 50. I can imagine the snp will be slathering at the bit. A point I saw from an interview with the Welsh government representitive when they were asked why are you here when the Welsh people voted to leave, it looks like the political class are ignoring the people they represent, he replied no it's all about the process. Yeah okay buddy.
has an up shot to all this tho loz. reinforces the democratic deficit in this uUK. long term game being played up here with completely different rules. btw, your little midget quip. they say we tease the ones we love the most, so thank you. :smileys:. but dont forget now there are several on here that are a completely different kettle o fish. mind and dont feed the trolls now.
Sorry, I forget sometimes that making a quip and a point in the same breath can lead to snowflakes of all shapes losing their cool In the end, there can be no democracy whilst Parliament (and their parliamentary regional franchises) holds sway. Parliamentary Democracy is a true oxymoron. Things get squirrely when folks forget that.
I feel this highlights why for some if is more about their personal wish for power and their party to be seen as prominent rather than as they claim. Their is a operational governmental tier system and at the very top of that tier is the U.K. government acting on behalf of the U.K. Some decry that whilst saying within their own devolved governments to their own county councils, know your place. I think we give them to much attention. The four countries are the four corners of the jigsaw but the complete jigsaw is the U.K. parliament of which ALL four have representatives in but ultimately the jigsaw is managed by the U.K. government
OK, but first I have a fucking liar to deal with. Apparently from Salmond: He said very few people voted for Britain to withdraw from the European market place, and his party is set to table 50 amendments to the proposed legislation. So who is the balls-out liar here? The BBC website, or the anti-democratic Napoleon of the North?
Non news. The Gov't expected to lose this. Nothing will be blocked. Porky Chops can waffle all he likes but the court said......The justices also said there was no legal obligation for the administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to be consulted. Right. Time to get on with my day.
i didnt vote to leave the single market. along with 48.1% of the total votes cast. has there been a poll on on anybody else specifically stateing they wonted out of the single market?. if you go for the brexit means brexit angle. well, tell it to the marines there. one DQ dealt with. :Smuggrin::smileys:
You still can't quite get the hang of this democratic election process yet can you fin so let me help. When one side wins by winning the vote process that everyone is taking part in, then that side wins. You may have seen it in recent times when snp mp's have been elected Democracy for the U.K. isn't decided in Scotland, it's decided in the U.K. parliament, glad to help.
He won't be able to table 50 amendments. There won't be Parliamentary time and any bill to invoke article 50 will go through without SNP support anyway. And if its a free vote, you can bet some SNP members will vote for the bill. Two out of five Scots voted Leave. A snap independence referendum (which Nippy can't call anyway) would almost certainly repeat the result of the first one. There's never going to be an Yes majority until the outcome of the UK's fortunes after Brexit is complete have become apparent. They may well vote Yes at some future date, but the threat of another Independence referendum isn't going to stop Brexit happening. Ditto Labour. They are highly likely to lose the Copeland bi-election either to Ukip or the Conservatives. The constituency voted heavily for Leave. the Governments Article 50 bill will have no difficulty getting through. As far as I can see the timetable is on schedule. We will leave the EU. Not leave it a bit or leave some of it. We will leave completely and before the next general election.
On the positive side, once the vote is taken and approved, which it will, no one can say democracy hasn't been served and acted on Apart from Clegg, Farron, Salmond, Sturgeon :smile:
deffo. all part of the process. no need for the amateur dramatics. come here loz, bosey time. :Kiss::smileys:
Have you seen her latest gem? So she's happy and accepts that the Supreme Court has said that the decision must be taken by politicians..........but doesn't accept that her devolved Gov't has to be consulted. She does like having her cake and eating it, that girl. The hypocracy is off the scale. WTF is "a matter of democratic principle"? Nicola Sturgeon: Is it time to take our future into our own hands? BBC News Channel Scotland's first minister Nicola Sturgeon says "it's a matter of democratic principle" that the Scottish parliament should have a say on whether or not it consents to the triggering of Article 50. She said she was "disappointed" that the Supreme Court had concluded the UK government "is not legally obliged to consult the devolved administrations" over Article 50. She said Scotland had long been told the UK is "a partnership of equals", but now it is being "told Scotland's voice isn't going to be listened to". Ms Sturgeon said this raises "a fundamental question". "Are we happy to allow our future to be dictated by the UK", which has only one Conservative MP in Scotland, "or is it time to take our future into our own hands?" she said.
I saw her on the BBC, her reply was predictable Absolutely we should respect the decisions of highest court in the land and respect their decision is legally binding , except the bits we don't agree with This is the normal way for the snp to work
I suspect this won't be the only legal challenge to the way the Government try and change our rights as citizens.
