Something that came up in another thread but relates more to this. By hoisting up the blue and white paint some of those have been lest than honest. The UK will survive when we leave the eu, Scotland may have some questions to answer if it wants to leave the U.K. The political ones are well argued but there are some questions Scots should be asking them based purely on economics and practicality. No anger here just simple economics and practicability. I've mentioned the Embassy assistance before. Britain has 191 embassies and high commissions across the world. It would costs millions for an independent Scotland to try and establish even a tenth of this representation. So if a Scottish citizen gets into trouble in Lusake, or Islamabad or needs a hand in Tiblisi or advice in Skopje will they be welcome at Britain’s establishments or will they be out on their ear? Should Scots leave the U.K. then they lose the right to the united kingdoms embassy assist There are two options here, the Scots spend huge sums having very few embassy's but in key area's which would cost the Scottish tax payer, I'm guessing given the fishes wish to be a world player then probably Belgium, Germany, the U.S and probably that's it but that would leave a country of 5.2 million woefully unable to help it's residents overseas. The other option is more probable, they will ask for an associate membership based on a fee to be paid to the U.K. by Scotlands government where Scots overseas could seek help but for a price. DVLA, bet most didn't think of that, the dvla does the whole of the U.K. Should Scotland leave the U.K. then they will lose the services of the dvla. two options again, they either buy land, build the centre, create all the tech, train the staff and then collect everything themselves but would the entire spend be justified against a 5.2 million population of which 2.7 million vehicles and 85% of those are cars. or do they ask for an associate membership based on a fee to be paid to the U.K. by Scotlands government where Scots get dvla services help but for a price. As to the numberplates, again 2 choices Team GB, new one for you. Team GB receive most of the funding from the U.K. from the national lottery and the U.K. government as well as sponsors. In the 2016 games there were 4 Gold medals won by Scots out of 27. This isn't to dissparage the Scots but more some of those were within teams where the other members were English as well as Welsh and of course Northern Irish My point here is, the Scots government would now have to be the largest contributor of a new team Scotland so would have to set up their own lottery company away from the lottery that currently provides the United Kingdom. Would they be able to get, funding and training to the standards the UK has and still be economically viable to secure future funding by results? Stamps, postage and parcels. Mostly they fall under what is known as a "universal service obligation" this means that a letter or packet will cost the same whether it is going from lands end to john o groats or from basildon to brentwood. The Royal Mail is the U.K.'s postal service and if the snp take Scotland out of the U.K. then it loses that service and will have to set up it's own postal service with the huge costs or does it again pay the U.K. government to use it's postal service? The queen would not be taken of the stamps in that case. The pound, the glorious pound. The snp think they can keep using it whilst the lib dems, labour and the tories have said no, as it is the united united kingdoms currency and not an independent Scotlands. Lets ignore that for a moment. The problem here is that Scotlands financial future would be governed by the bank of England and the United Kingdoms governments policies as it would be in effect using another countries currency but, Scotland would have no decision making or input into the economic policies that would decide how the pound is used and valued. Their whole financial planning would be based on a currency that they had no input into as an independent country using another countries pound. The only way they could control their own financial future would be to control a currency they own which world markets would probably value lower than the euro or they would have to join the euro if they get into the eu so they could have a say on it but it would have to be the euro These are the everyday issues that will effect most, some may not seem important but they certainly are worth asking those who wish to take Scotland out of the U.K. about how they intend to resolve these Apologies for the long output
"Unlike the left – which sees ethnic, sexual and religious minorities mainly as client victim groups to patronise and exploit for identity politics purposes – we on the right “celebrate diversity” by not giving a damn about diversity." Bullseye.
Just in case you missed it first time and can't get bbc iplayer? this is on tonight at 10pm ( a few minutes time) on BBC 4, it isn't all one sided and is worth a look from both sides BBC iPlayer - This World - After Brexit: The Battle for Europe
So battle lines are at last really starting to be drawn; the EU leadership VS business lobbyists. I could never accept that the EU would be able to punish the UK when it would also hurt the remaining 27 who already have difficult economic and financial issues to manage: Firms in Germany want to maintain strong ties with the UK once it departs the EU, the managing director of one of the country's major industry groups has said. "Ideally, we would have a deep and comprehensive partnership agreement on investment and trade," said Markus Kerber of BDI, according to Reuters. Kerber warned the fallout from Brexit could disrupt business for German firms, which are currently unsure what trade with the UK will look like beyond 2019. In 2015, €175bn (£148.5bn) worth of trade in goods and services flowed between the two countries, while more than 2,200 German companies currently operate in the UK, employing 370,000 people. German firms which regularly do business in the UK are also facing questions over how to make sure their operations are compliant with two jurisdictions. "German companies with operations in the United Kingdom face massive challenges starting in 2019," Kerber added. "Issues include customs duties, protectionist measures, diverging rules, lack of market access and tax dislocation." Kerber is not the first person to warn a bungled Brexit deal could spell as much, if not more, trouble for those on the east side of the Channel. Bank of England governor Mark Carney told MPs last month the consequences of a bad Brexit deal with no transition period "would be greater for Europe than the UK". Meanwhile, a report from the European parliament’s committee on economic and monetary affairs, which was leaked earlier this month, revealed there were concerns in the EU that any attempt of a raid on the City of London's financial status could ultimately backfire for the other member states. "If financial services companies choose to leave the UK as a result of Brexit, the consequences should be carefully evaluated," the document read. "A badly designed final deal would damage both the UK and the other 27 EU member states."
aye,always interfering threads with Scottish affairs. so ye are.:Watching: pish poor memory you got btw. what was westminsters forecast for oil prices at the same time?. considerably higher maybe?. always with the rewriting of history you rightwhingers. dear dear dear. :Yawn: anyhoo. giggle time.
The problem the eu has is that the 27 governments will make the decision on the deal and not the non elected presidents The smaller countries know germany failed to take over europe in 2 world wars but have instead done so economically. So I feel the other eu countries know Germany needs this deal to go as smoothly as as does the U.K. I feel some of the smaller countries are going to hold germany to ransom more than the U.K. These rascals more than any others Visegrád Group - Wikipedia The problem with our deal won't be the other 27 having a problem with the U.K. but the other 26 having a problem with germany, whilst they have germanys balls in their hands
That was a really fascinating insight into the very significant current tensions in the EU. There are a tremendous amount of risks ahead with Greece and Italy financially and a few countries politically. And yet, the EU leadership with Juncker at the wheel, steers his ship towards the iceberg. If they had taken the opportunity to change direction (and given Cameron some concessions) it could all be in a better position now. Instead, they will have to fend off crisis after crisis. I am still absolutely confident that we are ultimately going to be better off out, and taking our own path with other like minded independent countries.
Thanks to my pal Colin Holden... this has made me think a little more on the subject http://whybrexitisgreat.co.uk/
Just think, soon we'll be able to get British champagne and parma ham EU fears influx of 'British champagne' once Brexit ends food naming rules | Business | The Guardian
It hasn't happened yet (though without question it will). Your mate is suffering from fear of the dark. He needs to get his head out of his own arse. History will come to see the neurosis attached to this event - and all we're talking about here is bringing UK governance back to our own shores, a normal condition of the nation state the world over and not some wild avant garde experiment - as the most ridiculous and hysterically overblown reaction of all time. Like those who hid under tables in genuine fear that the Millennium Bug would cause planes to fall out of the sky because they were convinced for some bizarre reason that computers would struggle to count beyond 19, in ten years time the most bitter and fearful remainers will be embarrassed by their past tantrums. But fear not, we will be here to remind you what arses you made of yourselves.
Thats actually quite a telling documentary and one whichever you voted is worth a watch Whatever Brexit is, or becomes to be, I'd rather it help change the shape of the Eu for the better. IF Brexit is the catalyst for much needed change to the EU governance then great, but if its the catalyst for other countries to try and sort out their frankly appalling current economic issues and come out of the Eu then good on them, its their choice to make.
