Cheers for the feedback. I wish there was some further clarification on the R and its 'stock' akras. It's just a bit far for me to get down there simply to test it but I'll try to do it as I really want to take it around Brands GP. I have got myself a set of standard cans to stick on the S though
But that doesn't make any sense as thats not going to pass the static, or do they still have the bypass on the stock systems? it's dumb if they don't let the stock R akras also have a bypass.
I did actually mention R's etc. He said there's nothing saying they can't play providing they can get through noise testing although he said from experience will not be likely especially for faster riders. The system will need significant baffling. So basically a no no. As for the termi vs stock debate, its actually out of msv's hands.. it's the local council who unbelievably have complete access to the sound metres at the circuit. There's not a lot they can do. However @royalwithcream seeing as you've got a race licence why not just book on to a test day. If you can get through the static they do not run the noise sensors on test days so I'm told and test days are 105???? I believe.
That is my point. They have made an arbitrary decision based upon what they Class as standard, and therefore with an exemption. The reality is that the nuisance part as far as the circuit/council/residents is the noise escaping the circuit, and therefore the ride by. The 1299 is stamped in the V5 and on the frame, and I have also tested at 108dB, and I have seems Termis with baffles test 106dB and been refused entry to the same track... they should really let everyone try out the ride by, but they have to draw the line somewhere, and that is where they have drawn it, regardless of if it is sensible or fair....
Most of the decision making was made by the council mate Brands aren't exactly ecstatic about the situation the local council have got them by the bollocks. I did however explain how it looks to owners and they've taken it onboard.
It's not out of msv's hands. The council are only interested in the ride by results.... so if everything is under that, regardless of what it is, nobody cares. Unfortunately the tracks have a not very representative system of deciding on whate static test triggers what ride by test.... and as my 1299 always fails static and passes ride by, it isnt really a fairway to do it. MSV have taken a decision on what they allow an exemption for that has nothing to do with the local authority. Regarding the 105dB test days, an 1199/1299 won't pass a 105dB static test.
The circuit noise sensors are the councils though. Most staff members have no idea where they are even! As said I guess they have to draw the line somewhere. And the noise tester who I spoke to today who was with one of the circuits managers firmly said to me, the termi's are louder than standard on the ride by. And that they had major issues with the panigales because you can have two of the 'exact' same bikes and they'll read differently on the noise metres static. They spent the day with Ducati uk at the circuit with a number of different panigale models and the decision was made between them and the council to only allow standard to have 'special treatment'. I'm just the messenger
Yes, the circuit noise sensors are for the local authority. That is all they care about, and all the track need to adhere to. How the track choose to arbitrarily pass or allow exemptions on the static test is down to the track and nothing to do with the local authority. As long as the ride by results are within limits there are no issues. And anyone that told you they don't know where the sensors are cannot work there!
One of the guys I spoke to is a close friend and has instructed at the circuit for over 15 years. I too also used to instruct at the circuit. My father used to be the senior instructor at the circuit and has worked at brands on and off for 30+ years. They have a written agreement between msv, the local council and Ducati.
I'll furnish my answer about not knowing where the sensors are with this: how do they decide who has triggered a ride by level and black flag them if they do not know where the sensors are? Because they wouldn't know who was passing it if they didn't know where it was.....
Apparently according to the bloke who runs the trackdays for msv it's automated to race control and sends a picture through displaying the offending vehicle (you can assume from the picture whoever is in charge will know) They have a circuit map with sectors on it and it'll show red as to where the offending vehicle is over the limit. That's all I know
That may well be. However, the fact remains it is an arbitrary agreement on what static test represents what ride by level, and all the council are worried about is the ride by level. To show how daft (and irrelevant) it is, every single trackday I have been on has had Panigales with Termis on, and in every case they have allowed them out on track and they have remained out all day. It is clear that the static tests do not represent the important ride by. I don't disagree that there is a written agreement between thos parties, I disagree with the principles noise testing is based upon a static test that it largely irrelevant, so the agreement is an odd one.
Exactly.... so they will know where they are. If you know the place where you work, you will know where an odd piece of equipment is that isn't part of the normal running of your job. I'm not expecting instructors to know, but at the very least the facilities manager will know, and people talk in a workplace. To say they don't know where they are is nonsense.
@Advikaz I'm not having a go at you. Just the whole scenario winds me up. Personally, I don't mind because mine is standard and this rule stops me spending anothe £3k.... but it isn't exactly fair on Panis with Termis and Alta's who will often get on track, but have no guarantee even though they will likely test no more than a standard bike.
Mate I'm not going to argue with you, it's largely irrelevant what we think about the situation because the circuit/council/ducati have made up their minds. I spent ages talking to the guys about this because I know the pain people are having. And it doesn't effect me either as I'm running stock. They obviously have reason for it as obscure as it may appear. They've admitted the panigales are a bit of a nightmare to noise test, all the circuit are likely to care about is keeping the council happy. I did mention most of your points, but I very much doubt they'll budge on it. So my post above stands. You're safe with standard. Probably not with termi's or otherwise.
Took my dvt to Oulton, I was on the 102db limit at the static testing! And that's with the road homologated termi which wouldn't wake a sleeping baby compared with the standard cans on me 899!
guess I'm stuck with going to donington and no where else to be sure with my 1299 with akras. great !!!!!
Wouldn't be so sure, also at Oulton was an 1199s and Pani R seriously louder than my dvt and they were ok, the Pani R was fecking ridiculously loud!
Isn't the answer fairly simple...stick the standard cans back on? Id rather know I'll get on any circuit than worry about a possible 5 or 6 bhp I probably wouldn't notice anyway...
