To be quite honest I think she's calling it exactly how it is. Theresa May accuses EU of trying to affect UK election - BBC News If half of the other politicians had any sense of pride they should be calling out the same, but no, they're saying that she shouldn't have said it and would rather ignore the blatant conniving tactics the EU are adopting. Juncker et al are showing their true colours by leaking either false news, or confidential discussion, whichever it is it's unprofessional and clearly aimed at derailing the process. It's also no doubt a thinly veiled attempt to sure up support for Macron in France by making voting for Lep Pen look fraught with danger of dealing with those big angry Brussels bureaucrats. The way that threats can be made to us, one of the largest contributors to the EU since its beginning shows just how short their memories are and how fickle the 'friendship' is/was. The most astonishing thing out of all of this is that the UK citizens were given a choice: Either in the EU Or out of the EU The fact that they voted out is as democratic as it gets, but that doesn't wash with Juncker and he'd be happy to make all of us pay because it doesn't fit his vision. Edited due to it not being fair on Bernie Eccleston in associating his name with that of Juncker.
I don't agree with your first statement, and don't understand your last. The bit in between is a mishmash of common sense and bloke-in-pub rhetoric, I think. Received opinion. May is very much an enemy of civil liberty, and not a woman who I support the politics of. Objectively, she's a bully and a liar. These are not admirable qualities. I am myself pro-Brexit. Not borne of nationalism but of anti-globalism. It seems basic common sense that for a country to be a viable state it should be self sufficient and EU membership seems designed to promote a "United States Of Europe" agenda, and this defies thousands of years of history and the natural order of things. Globalism is why we have high rates of unemployment, and is a logical progression from capitalism. It all seems bound to end in conflict, initially political conflict that will develop into economic conflict and then into military conflict. The rise of nationalism is a product of the globally prevalent agenda to run the world for profit for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many. As disenchantment grows, so does the belief that further and deeper legislation will control the masses and afford control over these hordes to the few. If you think that May is working for Britain, or working for its people... this is not the case. This is an avaricious and dishonest politician who has been already caught with her fingers in the till. May vs. Corbyn, Corbyn vs. May... it's a distraction. The figurehead doesn't and cannot change a thing, the system prevails, the house wins... look at America, where are the grandiose, fast and sweeping changes promised by Trump? Outside of the media wailing and hand-wringing, the politics are still the same. All of the xenophobia is a con, we're all that way. Humans are tribal, we might at our most liberal extremes be fascinated by and immerse ourselves in the cultures of other tribes but we feel at our most natural ease when we're among those we identify as our tribe. Myself I think other tribes are ace, some don't interest me at all whereas others absolutely fascinate and delight me. I'd happily go and live among Swedes and Norwegians and I'd think that they're elegant and brilliant. They on the other hand might regard me as a chubby little undereducated oik and wish I'd bugger off, quite rightly too. Politicians and the media exploit all of this to make us feel a certain way, and more importantly behave a certain way. Mission accomplished. War'll be along soon, enjoy the trailers.
Well I guess it's good I'm not looking for your agreement on my first statement, but that's fine, we're all entitled to opinions, clearly some more well thought out than others, but to be honest I was just pissed off with yet more vindictive noise coming out of the EU offices In regards to the last it's purely a pop at the man Juncker as simply put I like him even less than I like Bernie Eccleston. (If you're still monitoring the forum Bernie you should take that as a compliment......kind of) Everything in the middle well, you take it however you want, I'll sleep easy
Is this form the EU though or more right wing propaganda designed to stir up more Nationalism and anti European feelings in view of the fact the Tories appear to be losing any economic arguments?
duke, you commenting on politics is like you commenting on advanced professional poker whilst still at let's play snap level for when and only if, you go beyond conspiracy and tin foil hat level http://www.highriskpolitics.org/Van_Kersbergen_Vis_JESP_forthcoming_2015.pdf
Bless you fin. I think I've found why you are rubbish at this. You are still confusing anti eu project with anti Europe. I'm sure it's for a personal bias but one you feel comfortable with, almost all the way through the message has been the same. Very few countries like what the European project has become, the U.K. was offered a choice to have a say on it, we did and using a democratic vote, the U.K. decided it was not for us anymore. Now if your suggestive prose was correct then we would not have bothered even entering into the 2 year negotiations but we are. Not only because BOTH need it but because we do get along In many ways the eu council itself is the issue and not the people of Europe or of the U.K., I hope that helps but as it doesn't suit your "tories at Westminster" trope and mantra, I doubt it will.
Lazy fin Anyone can type in their wants and get a lazy reply, Support (two p's) for the eu dropping suport for EU rises - Google Search I can do the same with support for the snp dropping support for the snp dropping - Google Search
you cant let the constitutional question go. typical tory. anyhoo, if its Scottish poling you want.watch this. SCOT goes POP!: Support for independence shoots back up in crucial YouGov poll SCOT goes POP!: Tyrannical Theresa takes a timely tumble in the weekend polls SCOT goes POP!: May Day! May Day! It's not May's Day, as Google survey reveals 57% of Scottish public prefer independence to Brexit
shame you had to go all nationalistic mostly because it always ends up like this. all mouth and slow learners the britnat. some english are wankers - Google Search
My point fin, is that if you type what you want to see specifically fin as you often do and did in posst such "as support for the eu rises", can easily be countered with another typing support for the eu in decline as you could say that the snp moaning that the tories are turning the U.K. into a one party state seems silly because the snp has no issue doing it themselves in Scotland. As to the eu. the "bill" is not about what Britain owes at all but more about what they need to keep it running as they took in more countries who took out of the pot than put in. Knowing you hate mainstream media in favour of tin foil hat personal blogs, have this my dear fellow Brussels admits it faces crisis if UK refuses Brexit bill | Daily Mail Online
This is a good article which has a ring of truth to it. I am glad to read that David Davis is saying if we leave without a deal then we will not pay a penny. Without the UK, the second biggest contributor to the EU budget, the EU is faced with a bit of a problem, and it is their problem to solve, not ours. What is in both the UK and EU's interests is to maintain trade, but not at all costs. The concept of a United States of Europe is withering on the vine and the current arrangement with the Euro is unsustainable, when will the EU realise that they require a radical rethink ?
