I slow down or stop for horses. Usually get a nice smile if its a young lady riding. Only time a young lady is going to smile at me anymore
What about horse boxes? Why are they always so old, so slow, so clapped out and so black smoke out of the exhaust? Every time I pass one just before I do I destroy it using my imaginary Fazors or a photon torpedo.
No I haven't hit one @Wayne58, but I bloody well want to now. I was in a works van on a 40mph single carriage way road, I suddenly came across them on a left hand bend, I did reduce my speed and gave them some space, but as it was on a bend I gave them as much space as I could. But according to them I didn't do enough of either. One of them apparently had a helmet cam, phoned my office to complain but said they wouldn't send the footage to the police this time And this brings me to my other point, I know it's not the animals fault their on the road but if I went for a MOT in any vehicle and I said to the tester it's a lovely thing and I love it to bits, but it has a mind of its own, no bloody brakes, leaves a load of shit (which I don't have to pick up) wherever it wants and may or may not actually go where I point it, do you think it would pass an MOT. Yet my vehicles have to pass a roadworthy test to be allowed on the road. In the past I used to enjoy some off roading, but due to the pressure of ramblers and the horse riding fraternity, most RUPP's have been downgraded to bridle ways or footpaths, so there are very few places left legally to ride, so I've now given it up. They faught so hard to get these legal highways downgraded why don't the horse riding community transport their horses to these newly won byways an keep their lethal animals off the bloody roads. Anyway rant over, and I feel so much better now p.s. As you may gather I don't think horses should be on the Queen's highways.
Horsey women used to be sexy. Now they've all got sharp elbows and fat arses and they can't drive horse boxes or 4X4s. At least horses are useful for glue and steaks.
@broke.... The video thing would really piss me off to, that's just shit, cause for all the horsey fucker knows, you could have been sacked.... Total bastards!!
This is where you are going wrong. You don't give them some space, or as much as (you) could. What you do is give them the space they need and if that means stopping then that is what you do. As the overtaking vehicle you have an obligation to overtake only when it is safe to do so, that means safe for them as well as yourself. I would also add that if it was double white lines on the bend, and you crossed them, then you got of lightly.
Sorry mate, but that's bollox, if you come round a bend and there all of a sudden in front of you is a fucking horse, then sometimes you have no choice but to do the best you can, not always as black and white as you make out . So coming on here castrating folk when you were not there appears unreasonable to me. I hope you're taking the piss?
There is too much anger in the world. Combine your interests-embrace the love . You know you want to...
You should always have a choice, these are public roads we are talking about, you can never be certain what is round the next bend. So no, I am not taking the piss, I think the OP showed bad attitude. It sounds like he was inconsiderate at best, put his job at risk, and is now blaming someone else.
Unfortunately John is right though Wayne, although it could've been said in a better way perhaps. Painful though it sounds, we are all supposed to proceed along a road being able to stop safely at any time and so if you hit a stationary 'vehicle' around a blind bend it will virtually always be your fault although mitigating circumstances ought to be taken into account. I take a country road circuit many times a week and had to take avoiding action a couple of years ago when confronted by a tractor around a bend. The speed limit at that point was 50 miles an hour, I was doing around 40 but in the eyes of the of the law a collision would've been my fault ( tractor was doing around 15 miles an hour). I think it probably comes under driving without due care and attention. Can only speak for myself when I say that I take it for granted many times when out on a motorbike ride that there is nothing parked or stationary around bends negotiated, you can't blame a person who comes upon a queue of traffic or happens to break down in a dangerous spot et cetera, the consequences aren't worth thinking about. The whole debate about horses on public roads will run for ever and I don't think it's likely to change, I always take it slow on passing and usually cut the engine and lights as am aware that it is not the horse's fault.
It's not their fault, it's the shape of their face and the fact they don't have the correct shape vocal cords or conversational skills.
It is incumbent on ALL road users to take due care and show consideration. That includes cyclists and horse riders who may have a legal right to ride three abreast round a blind bend but would be fools to do so. They present in effect a stationary object and one made of flesh and bone. Stuff happens on roads which can distract the best driver's attention at critical moments, wild animals run out, kids fight on the back seat and the sun gets in your eyes, and people simply make mistakes. Everyone should take that into account and no sense of entitlement should ever outweigh the responsibility not put oneself at undue risk. And that includes bikers tearing round blind bends with their arse off the seat, heedless of what might be round the other side. Riders, cyclists (and walkers) and everyone else need to use their intelligence as much as the rest of us. Respect and consideration is only forthcoming when it is reciprocated.
Total PITA... stupid sods riding along roads at 1MPH ambling along side-by-side talking shyte they should be banned from the roads - if the poncey self-important owners/riders can't afford to buy/rent/borrow a truck to put the horses in to transport them to riding areas then fk em, they shouldn't be allowed, and I don't give a rat's whose kids love their little pony. Bloody dangerous having them on the roads and for what? They don't even clean up their own shit, just leave it all over the road FFS. I can imagine a lot of car drivers being happy if groups of bikers pushed their bikes side-by-side talking shyte at 1MPH whilst on their way to a track day eh? Stick the horses and their 'owners' into Fray Bentos tins I say. There, problem sorted.
I will attempt to reply to your assumption, that I am blaming or trying to blame someone else, and that my attitude was bad. Someone told me once that there's no such thing as truth, only perception, so I will attempt to alter your perception but I feel I would be flogging a dead F**k**g Horse. First thing, the original question of my post was, what is the law as regards passing horses. No one has as yet answered this question. So I do not know if I have broken any law, I know ignorance of a law is not a plea but there you go. Perhaps johnv you are in support of a law that was mooted about a while back about all traffic accidents no matter who's at fault, blame should be apportioned to the larger vehicle i.e. bicycle hits motorcycle, motorcycles fault, motorcycle hits car, car's fault, and so on ? Perhaps my post title should have read F***K**G Riders as its not the horses fault but bloody inconsiderate owners, that ride them in inappropriate places. Please do not use the sentence that their legally allowed to be on the road, that is the case, but do you honestly think on today's congested highways, a beast as unpredictable as a horse should be on it. I believe the question of the riders competence and intellect should be questioned if they even think of riding horses on the highway. I believe it is still illegal to ride a push bike on the highway without brakes, so why can you still ride a horse. Second, it seems that I was condemned by the opinion of either one or both of the riders, of who's so called video evidence of my crime I've yet to see. Are we now to be tried found guilty and sentenced by the opinions of horse riders. Who actually try to impersonate a police officers, perhaps they think this entitles them to a warrant card I think impersonating a police officer is still a crime ? Third point. I am attempting to go about my employment, my employers expect a certain performance out of me, which is correct. Do you think my boss would appreciate me telling him, sorry boss but I couldn't finish my job today as I had to drive as though there was a bloody horse around every bend and by the time I'd got to the job it was time for me to turn around and come home, just in case there was a bloody horse around every bend on the way back. Finally, you were not there, you do not know the speed I was doing, you also do not know how much berth I gave those bloody horses. But using your tac because the F**K**g Riders were so enraged they rang my employers, I am guilty. If that is the case then, you've got me bang to rights guv Yours signing off, an even greater enjoyer of horse meat. Broke. p.s. I pulled over to the side of the road and killed the engine once for a F**k**g Horse, and ended up sat there for about 15 to 20 mins waiting for it to pass, the bloody thing refused, in the end she had to turn the F**k**g Horse around and go up a farmers lane so that I could pass, I don't know if she waved to me afterwards or rose two fingers, she was so far up the fekin lane I couldn't tell. Don't you just love horses p.p.s please excuse my secondary modern education English.
So by that reasoning then, I should crawl around every single bend I ever travel on at nil MPH in case there is something round it ? And that's what myself and @broke were trying to convey. Yes legally you'd probably be in the wrong for hitting the horse, but a degree of common sense has to be applied. Even you used words such as supposed, virtually, probably and mitigating, but you didn't use the word certainty because until the facts are presented, there is no certainty and thus no one is guilty. There is also the consideration of ones own safety when slamming on the brakes for said horse, of the car behind impacting you causing further carnage. What I was trying to say was don't make a judgement on another person without knowing every single fact, unless you were actually there. In the eyes of the law if he had hit it, mitigating circumstances such as speed, angle of corner, position of horse etc etc etc would have been looked into before any punishment was passed, that's the law in our country. What some folk do on here, is judge, jury and executioner without first hand seeing the incident, which going back to my initial post, is wrong.
