British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Poker hand Dukey
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  2. Free movement to continue?
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  3. I agree duke, it's a terrible story. How on earth can Labour sack the Rotherham mp from her shadow cabinet position, when it was she who fought to protect young women from pedophile and abusive muslim men when everyone else turned a blind eye, the courts show and confirm her point of view was proven.

    I'm sure it had absolutely nothing to do with her not supporting Corbyn and being on momentums remove list.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ed-scapegoat-warning-cultural-link-child-sex/
     
  4. Quote........"However following the article Labour MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn, appeared to publicly condemn the sentiment, warning that stereotyping large groups of people is not acceptable."

    They should've added ..."Except for Tory voters. They're all greedy, thieving bastards" :confused:
     
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  5. Ruth Davidson has rightly condemned Donald Trump for drawing a moral equivalence between Nazis and people who protest against Nazis. On Tuesday evening she tweeted “The President of the United States has just turned his face to the world to defend Nazis, fascists and racists. For shame.” She deserves credit for that. It’s a far stronger and clearer condemnation that that which her boss managed. Theresa May avoided referring to Trump directly. I don’t often say this, but well done Ruth.

    But, and it’s a big but, it’s safe to condemn an unpopular American president. Now show some proper leadership Ruth. Prove that you’re not just a self-publicist who is jumping on a popular bandwagon and condemn Scotland’s home grown bigots and extremists in equally strong terms. And I’m not talking here about independence supporters being rude on Twitter.

    Ruth’s very keen to condemn independence supporters who misbehave. That’s easy when you’re the head of the most aggressively British nationalist of Scotland’s major political parties. Condemning bad behaviour amongst your opponents just counts as point scoring, not as leadership. Real leadership comes when you’re able to speak out against the nastiness that lurks under your own flegstone. Ruth is a whole lot less keen to say anything about extremist British nationalism even though the actual fascists, the racists, and the sectarian bigots are overwhelmingly on the red white and blue side of the Scottish constitutional debate. I’ve never even heard her condemn the British nationalist trolls who infest the comments section of the Scotsman. You’d think that would be easy.

    More seriously, Ruth avoids condemning sectarian organisations. She has never overtly and unambiguously disassociated the Conservative party from the Orange Order and made a strong and unequivocal condemnation of the bigotry and discrimination which that organisation fosters. She says nothing about the Orange Order and the Protestant supremacism which so many members of her own party cheerfully dog-whistle to. Ruth says nothing about the slew of Tory candidates who were revealed to have connections to the far right or to sectarian organisations which espouse Scotland’s home grown racism, the racism of the anti-Irish variety.

    From the perspective of a Scot from an Irish Catholic background, the Orange Order and the white supremacists of Charlottesville are creatures cut from the same racist cloth. They all march in paramilitary uniforms. They all have an ideology based in exclusion of sections of the community because of who they descend from. They all think that the only freedom that matters is the freedom to discriminate. Both of them claim that they’re only expressing their culture, and both have a culture of hate. Both have colours that don’t run, they just drip with hatred for those who aren’t like them.

    The English born US talk show host John Oliver spoke about Trump this week and how Trump is lauded and applauded by the American far right. Referring to Trump’s refusal to make a clear denunciation of yer actual Nazis, John said that Nazis are like cats. If they like you it’s because you’re feeding them. We could say the exact same thing about Ruth Davidson and an Orange Order which adores her. Aren’t you upset Ruth, to be loved by a sectarian organisation?

    Ruth Davidson isn’t a racist. She’s not a sectarian bigot. But she never clearly and unhesitatingly condemns those on her own side who are, and there are lots of them. If Ruth Davidson had the courage of her undoubted anti-racist convictions, she’d make the Orange Order hate her. You’re not a champion of anti-racism when you pick and choose amongst racists. And I’m not talking here about people who say things that some people find offensive. I’m talking here about people who actually put their offensiveness into practice.

    Go on Ruth, prove to us all that you are as committed to anti-racism as we all want to believe you are – you can do it by explicitly stating that membership of the Orange Order is incompatible with membership of the Conservative party, and that support for the big drum bangers means exclusion from your party. Say that the Orange Order is what it really is, an an organisation founded in order to perpetuate and promote a racist ideology aimed against people of Irish Catholic origin. Crack down on the Tories who use social media to nudge nudge wink wink support the boys who march in their uniforms to the music of hate. And it would be nice if you could apologise for the historic role of the Conservatives in being complicit with sectarianism in Scotland as a means to protect the Union. Prove to us that the Conservatives in Scotland have a zero tolerance policy for sectarianism. Condemn it like you condemn Trump.

    We all want a better Scotland, a peaceful and peaceable Scotland, an open, tolerant, and inclusive Scotland. That’s not going to happen when it’s only one side in this constitutional debate which is expected to be self-reflective and to examine its own sins. We need all Scotland’s politicians to have the moral authority to condemn an American president who draws a moral equivalence between Nazis and anti-Nazis. But that’s not going to happen unless those politicians also have the moral fibre to identify and condemn the equivalent evils that still blight Scotland and which infest their own party in the way that American bigots infest the US presidency.
     
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  6. Hey, there's punctuation in that. I smell a copy and paste job. :thinkingface:
     
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  7. yip, i post the stuff i would generally write myself had i the skills. but the punctuation police are out in force and come a pretty close second to those described in the post. lets not encourage em. :upyeah:
     
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  8. That's better. Normal punctuation and grammar has been restored.

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  9. I'ii read it when it's archieved in the indi 2 or trump thread :D
     
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  10. its relating to racism and bigotry as the brexiters are so often are accused off. charity begins at home they say.
    no advertising revenue is gained from looking (click bait).
    i can confirm this is a real thing hence why i posted it, but i can only comment on what i see around me.i have no idea what the word on the street is down your way other than what clickbait headlines attempt to tell me.
    for the record, slab are no less guilty.
    i don't trust corbin either. i believe his hart is in the right place so maybe more because of the party rather than himself.
     
  11. The word racism is used within the modern social media world to try and enforce shut down politics on another whether or not they are actually racist and most time they are not. Fun fact, the most racist person I know is a Bangladeshi corner shop owner who vents his views quite often on (the irony will not be lost and in his words) These feckin eastern europeans coming over here stealing our jobs and taking away money from his family by setting up shops too. I must admit the first time I heard him, I chuckled all the way home. Had the same type of thing In Norfolk too




     
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  12. Is it right to beat up demonstrating members of the KKK, etc and prevent them from spreading their filthy world-view?
     
  13. wonder what put that thought in his head?
     
  14. hmm. what do the majority think and say? nothing normally.
     
  15. Did you just answer my question with a question, finm?

    How dare you! How very dare you!
     
  16. yip, and the answer to my own question.
    mostly because on ere, the answers are mostly questionable.
    (wee smug grin there*
     
  17. It's far better to deprive them of their need for political oxygen than to physically beat them where they no longer need oxygen and that works for all sides extremists
     
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  18. Whilst people carry on fighting amongst themselves, the politicians carry on with shafting everyone.

    Hatred only ever ends up one way.
     
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  19. I see the Dalai Lama is back. :rolleyes:
     
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  20. UK: We don't ever want to be part of a single European state. We want to remain a fully independent nation where no foreign courts or supranational institutions have any jurisdiction and we wish to set our own laws and be governed through our own sovereign Parliament by democratically elected representatives whom we and only we can vote in or out of office.
    EU: Err..
     
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