Macron, the new French President has sought employment reforms for what he calls "Social dumping" by other countries where other eu countries people are undermining French workers by being cheaper labour and is seeking 12 months employment by other eu migrants then that's it, off you go back. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41036909
Well, what can I say but wow! The hypocrisy yet again by this leftist rag is frankly astounding, talk about fickle. https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-politics-charles-de-gaulle#comment-104172416 First it was Corbyn being shit, then he was God like, then shit again when he didn't say he was against Brexit.....currently Corbyn is in leftist limbo as they're not sure whether to back him or not. Then Macron, the saviour of the EU, a new beginning and every other cliché they could churn out..... Now look at them, I think I'll let Aramis123 comments sum it up
Macron displays the worst aspects of Blair and Obama combined. Voted into office by the same kind of naive idealism that believed for no rational reason that being black, young or "cool" is all it will take to save the world (as if it were in any greater need of saving than usual) he'll likewise be all promise and no delivery. Big on Rhetoric, speechifying, sermonising and agitating, useless at making decisions or getting anything done. Massively egotistical, more than a little bent and comes with a string-pulling back seat driving spouse attached.
Why are so many Brits so engrossed in the French leader when they want nothing to do with him? Ahh yes another reason to show their xenophobia.
Because in relation to the actual thread, leaving the eu, France is a big player after us and Germany, in third place in regards to eu contributions. How France behaves as well as Germany has as much influence in europe's position as anything else Macron came in on a wave of oooh isn't he pretty, rather than don't trust this guy he used to be part of Hollande's government that we are throwing out and worked as an investment banker for the Rothschild bank. Why is this important? Without the doubting thomas of the uk saying hey that's not quite right, France is going to be part of europe that will define it but also will now have to find another £10 billion a year and yet no one wants to pay it within the eu. Macron himself is trying to turn France, a largely socialist country with heavy workers rights, into a capitalist company rules country. Given it's huge immigrant influx at a time when there is 30% youth unemployment then you are running quite a risk of one of the key players in the eu project, entering a very volatile period In the short term it could effect the eu's negotiation strategy, in the long term it could effect the eu project which would have catastrophic implications for them but also for world politics if the eu implodes and that is why dear duke, most Brits who voted out do look long term unlike your goodself whose nose is the furthest you can look and why most Brexiteers have said, we are leaving the european project, not the eu, we like the eu and it's people but not just the management company anymore. Duke you say you know what you are talking about and then ask why macron is of interest? I have to say duke, most of your inputs are delusions of adequacy by a person who sits there looking like an envelope without any address on it
Saying we want nothing to do with him is ridiculous, of course we do. Only an imbecile would say that But I guess that doesn't quite chime with your constant patronising beliefs that anyone wishing to leave the EU is a xenophobe, however misguided and mixed up that might be. No Duke, I'm merely a person that likes to read views from all angles and take in the bigger picture. Cast your mind back, this entire referendum was ultimately put in motion when David Cameron couldn't get the EU members to agree reform. The British public were then given a choice and those that could be arsed got up and voted, net result we're leaving. Now back to Macron. Pro EU and leftist media such as the Guardian were all hailing Macron, gushing over him as they all felt he was happy to let the EU continue as it was and most importantly he was 'oh so pretty' Now they're gradually starting to publish smear and negative stories about him, conveniently just as he's starting to question the current eu structure and whether it works for his countrymen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41036909 https://www.ft.com/content/4d21c952-8980-11e7-8bb1-5ba57d47eff7 You can talk about xenophobia all you want but that's nothing more than a smoke screen used by remain voters to detract from the actual reason 'some' people voted, sort of a fingers in the ears 'la la la' type thing. The EU is an economic trading block which has its rules and regulations, some may work for certain nations and some may not. It would seem more countries are questioning what works for them just as the UK did. If the EU doesn't start to change then it will only go one way. For clarity Europe is a geographical continental region which we are not leaving, just saying
Far too often certainly some remainer's, see it as us versus the eu. If however you have an open mind and look at the eu closer itself without a British input then you will see many member states now either holding the eu to ransom, battles building to a point where the eu project is in for a long period of unprecedented infighting, immigration, tight budgets, employment laws, the list is huge. In many ways our leaving is the least of their worries, they have a tough time ahead more than we will ever have and I genuinely feel they will appreciate, even though we will have left, a good friend to support them where we can
That's because EU member states, without exception, joined in the belief there would be some material advantage in it for them as a nation. Each still think in terms of their national identity and national strategic and economic interests, and rightly so. But the object of the European Project, of which the EU is the latest developmental stage, it to abolish the nation states of Europe and create an artificial superstate and a single people with a synthetic "European" identity which no one except a handful of fanatical bureaucrats with failed political careers behind them actually wants. The myth of European unity is just that, a myth. Members want the EU bribes, sorry, grants, paid with UK and German money, but they want to stay Hungarian, Polish, Spanish, Italian etc at the same time. Its the fatal contradiction at the heart of this grand vanity project and why it was always doomed to fail, and will, with or without the UK but probably sooner without us because the bribe money will run out.
If this is accurate,it makes one wonder if there was ever ANYTHING worthwhile about joining this ,"trading bloc": https://www.rand.org/news/press/2016/03/22.html
If true, an extraordinary figure because that's just corruption, never mind graving-training and general profligacy.
doing the math that don't add up. unless their adding some kind of lost tax multiplier. anyhoo, for the "democrats" a wee extract from Tommy Sheppards Thomas Muirs lecture. I wonder what Muir and his fellow reformers would make of our imperfect democracy today and the current movement for political reform? He would probably be astonished that, more than 220 years after he campaigned for elected parliaments, we still have a majority of parliamentarians in the UK elected by no-one. The existence of the House of Lords should be an affront to any democrat. And that its membership continues to be boosted by patronage and privilege seemingly without limit ought to be cause for public outrage. The Lords should be abolished and replaced with a second chamber elected on a regional basis in England and with national representation from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland for as long as the multi-national state that is the UK exists. Muir would also be concerned that, in a state that operates universal suffrage, so many of our citizens chose not to vote. An estimated 14 million UK voters did not exercise their rights on June 8. Is this simply apathy, a lack of interest in the outcome? Or is it better seen as the result of alienation from a system that many believe is rigged in the first place? I think it’s more the latter. Throughout the UK, our democracy is shallow and fragile, and if those of us who value it do not act we risk its erosion. There needs to be a major overhaul in how we teach political engagement in our schools. It is unforgivable that so many people attain voting age without ever having been told how to do it and why it matters.
Imagine that, an snp politician telling the rest of the U.K. how things should be done whilst at the same time saying Scotland should leave the U.K. It would be like me divorcing my wife then telling her to what she should do after me, them crazy Scottish ukippers of the snp The lords needs to be abolished completely I feel, what is the point of a second house anymore? A realistic first move would be to stop any more awards until dead mans shoes reduces the figure below the amount of the commons. There are currently 650 mp's in the house which is soon to reduce down to 600, currently there are around 800 in the house of lords. The trouble with a regional council made up of the 4 nations is that we already have one, it's called the house of commons As to 14 million did not vote, where has that number come from? It's one of those narrative numbers thrown about without any explanation of why they did not, it suits no one other than those who want to leave it that blank to use for their own devices, could be some where on holiday, some have political apathy, some where students who couldn't be arsed, some overseas such as travel, theatres of war or some who simply wished there would be a none of the above option on the ballot. It's a throw away number used to bash the government of the day whilst accepting no one else is responsible. I'm not a fan of politics being taught in schools in the same way I am not in favour of religion being taught in schools. almost every war and dispute in humanities history has been due to politics and religion, why teach kids the lessons of hate and divisiveness. If they have an attraction to either, let them make their own minds up then pick those subjects up after 16
We persist with FPTP and people are STILL wondering why turnouts are low in elections? People, eh? I know!
imagine that, ukip with less than 4% support (up here) and sceptic MEP'S at Brussels saying it should be abolished mostly due to corruption and lack of democratic accountability, while avoiding the HOL debacle and getting paid not to represent their constituents or attending committees in Brussels . hmm. no need btw, your tone suggests because they are SNP they have no right to contribute to the debate. not v. democratic btw. the 14mill figure is real and undeniable. only the reasons are debatable. why shouldn't political procedure be taught at school. to much history to avoid? a wee bitty scared what 14mill people that feel dissociated with the uk system might do with their vote?. anyhoo, its a good lecture. worth a read, the sun is coming out so I is heading out now for a blastage. I will post the full piece later. maybe here, maybe in the indi thread. but in the mean time I need you to think tax multiplier, as relevant in this thread as it is in the indi thread.
Your suggestion of my suggestion is very suggestive but, wrong. My point highlighted the hypocriscy of the snp who do not want to stay in the uk but have no problem trying to tell the uk what to do again fin. how do you know that they feel dissociated? this makes my opinion correct in that you do not but claim it as real. you claim to want a new politics but still want to maintain the two biggest reasons within humanity, politics and war as a must do, surely replacing them with more we can together instead of lets create a divide is a better way of teaching kids? The full piece would be good given you forgot such things in the speech as The Yes campaign was about many things, but it was least of all about identity. The media would have had you believe differently, but this was not about nationality, it was about empowerment, about taking control. When the U.K. want's to take control after a democratic national vote, then we have from the very same group, we are little Englanders but when the snp want to do the exact same thing they call it empowerment and taking control as to the yes campaign not being about identity or nationality? gimme a break only one country was asking for it, only one party was the main driver of of it and to say it was not about nationality whilst having the scottish national party asking for it means those rascals are even more deluded than ever before Go blast fin go blast, the road is more honest than the politics of your party
wow, the contortions a kipper will get himself into. https://wingsoverscotland.com/underneath-the-goodyear-blimp/ just a quick subsample of the goings on this week. is this the kind of honesty you are referring to? in particular the mooths. aye nobody does honest like a Westminster troffer. right cambelltoon loch is calling.
