If the Government chose for whatever reason to have another vote on Brexit and it went the other way and the Country voted to stay, would that make it undemocratic? Democracy is not about a single point in time.
but a democratic vote is and everyone who voted voted willingly with their point of view. A noisy minority who willingly took part in a democratic vote cannot then cry lets do it again chief because we lost. What if they lose again, another vote? and again, another vote? This is why you hold the point you do duke, look at the eu's history. Where the people's of countries have voted against the eu, politicians have made countries do the vote again and even when the eu lose again, they draw up an agreement everyone bar politicians voted against, the Lisburn treaty is a good example. The eu has no intention of letting people having the eu serve them. In their mind, the eu is the all seeing eye and people should do as they are told. We had a wish for a vote, parliament approved by a substantial majority from all parties, that vote took place. 72.2% of those entitled to vote, voted and we had a majority vote. Isn't that how democracy works? Isn't that what the eu does not want for the member states of the eu? We know the eu operates a two tier racist immigration policy, we know they throw at us "little englanders" whilst they themselves live in a gated community that promotes protectionism I would think more of them if when we left they were honest and amended article 50 to say any country leaving will have no deal but both sides in the future would see all future deals under wto. That is what they are doing now but the eu refuses to be honest about it. We are told we must carry out out legal obligations, we say fine, they run out in 2021. The eu then say forget legal, we want moral obligations. One minute they want legal to apply then they want moral to apply but you could say to the eu, hey, you have a moral obligation to return 1/28th of the eu's assets to the U.K. I bet you a penny to a pound of horse shit, the eu would say "we only abide by legal obligations not moral"
Seems Goldman Sachs have already made their decision. https://www.thestreet.com/story/143...tain-s-brexit-plans-with-frankfurt-tweet.html
You really do need to choose your poster boys better Dukey. Goldman Sachs, The Independent, The OECD.
I'm trying to work out whether the vast majority of Remainers are actually Pro EU, Scared of the EU, or Scared of life after the EU Even to this day, I hear nothing from the 'Pro remainers' about the EU, Juncker and his vision, or anything else that's remotely positive. I hear threats, scare stories, and notions of reforming the EU and yet nothing about what they intend to reform or how. It's no different than the run up to the actual vote. Either you look at the EU as a trade agreement, or you're in for the long haul and the openly honest changes people like Juncker wants to make to yours and everyone else's country who's a member.
I'm sure the facepalmnewforumshitsmileys were made for you duke, did you read the article you provided, it said this Goldman has made no secret about its intent to establish a financial market foothold in Europe, alongside its operations in London,In fact, earlier this month, the bank inked a lease on more than 100,000 square feet at the 38-storey "Marienturm" building in the heart of Frankfurt's financial district. They are making a move already, a move they have been saying they would make anyway and despite no idea of the outcome yet, unless you are acknowledging now that no deal was the eu's course all along? Far from it, most who voted out took the gamble on the result, as did most of those remain. You have yet to show the slightest answer as why we should have another vote other than you think democracy stinks when your side loses. Lets say we did have another vote and remain won, using your own reasoning, the brexiteers could demand from day 1 of that vote that unless we have the best of 3 then you are defying democracy. Tell me though duke, had remain won and the brexiteers said we want another vote and if you do not then you are removing democracy, what would you have said?
Is the world finally starting to push back against globalism/the alleged NWO? http://www.extraordinaryinfo.com/youngest-world-leader-bans-george-soross-foundations-from-austria/
Fuck me !!....read your own post Here..I'll help you ..."If the Government chose for whatever reason to have another vote on Brexit and it went the other way and the Country voted to stay"
I remember one of the key authors of article 50 admitted it was never written with the intent of a country leaving. A few I'm guessing will have had divorces so the current divorce from the eu seems peculiar. Normally the joint assets are looked at. In this case as the eu is an organisation and not a country, we would look after 40 years of paying into the eu project trillions of pounds, what the joint assets are such as the european bank, the multiple investments, property portfolios to name a few , and then ask for a 1/28th slice Somehow everyone seems to be ignoring the joint assets whilst insisting we pay more into an organisation that already is witholding billions in our name. Were our government be a firm of solicitors, they would be the worst divorce lawyers in the world, probaby
This is an interesting conundrum. Junker's vision is not shared by many of the 27, and will almost certainly be blocked, yet he is still allowed to spout this rubbish. I think there is a disconnect between those at the top and the member states but for some reason this is never challenged, at least not openly. The more I see the more I am sure leaving is the right thing to do, there is a fundamental anti democratic feel at the centre of the EU and I am also sure, sooner or later, it will end badly.
Since our Government is now choosing to abstain on Parliamentary votes they know they will lose, I find it hard to understand how anyone feels they are in anyway more democratic. They are ignoring the very basics of democracy.
The parliamentry votes at the moment are little more than posturing and cock measuring. there is no reason for the votes until we have a final deal Tusk today said it is his hope that we can now move onto part 2 in December, that was followed an hour later by Macron who said we are not even halfway there on the leaving bill. Take from that what you will but my own feeling is that France and Germany will have to pick up the £10 billion shortfall so they are trying to get 10 years worth of bills paid by us 10 years after we would have left. No other organisation would attempt such a thing, I still see no deal and wto more likely.
Macron is merely offering a soundbite as a means of deflection from his own sorry state of approval ratings. It's easy for him to throw a comment our direction than it is to talk his own countrymen around. Mon Dieu
In the meantime, the two Italian regions I mentioned a week ago seem to be following Catalonia's lead in some part https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...lls-in-europes-latest-referendums-on-autonomy
Brexit isn't a divorce. Divorce is the splitting apart of two parties who agreed to become one. That is not the situation with membership of the EU. The clue is the word "membership". The EU is a club (or is supposed to be), a group of nations acting in concert over certain matters. It is not a marriage where individual partners become indivisibly joined to form new whole. It is a club which we chose to join and we have now decided to leave, as we were always free to do at any time. When you leave a club you resign your membership, cancel your subscription, collect your coat, say cheerio to your former club mates and wish them well, then you walk away. You would not expect to get a refund of your annual subscription but neither would you expect to continue paying it after your membership had been cancelled. Nor would you hold negotiations over divisions of property nor tolerate any attempt by the club's committee to enforce its rules on your life after your membership ceases. You just leave. Not a bit, not just part of it and you don't expect to have use of the snooker table on alternate Wednesdays, you just go and close the door behind you. It is not difficult.
