Tesla Bursts Into Flames!

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Mary Hinge, Jun 17, 2018.

  1. Like @XH558 you mean :thinkingface:
     
  2. Don’t know, maybe, probably
     
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  3. sticks and stones and..................................
     
  4. daffodils? :eyes:
     
  5. :eyes:
     
  6. Just see BSB is on Quest reminded me that I seen a set of those under seat twin pipes for sale on fuck book
     
  7. Oooh, watching now :):upyeah:
     
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  8. Why would he be fooked in traffic jams? That's kind of best case scenario for an EV, they barely use any juice at low speeds.
    150 miles is quite poor, even for an early Model S. I wouldn't be buying an EV for motorway miles, risky business! My Golf will match VW's rated 30 miles of electric range around town easily but different story at 70mph+, back to the good old dinosaur juice.
     
  9. Irwins brother doing the British MX here this weekend
     
  10. Stop start traffic jams are the worst - stop for half an hour then move is fine. It was only 3 weeks old :):upyeah:
     
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  11. Hmm, high speed cruising is the worst for batteries. Stop start traffic is sort of where the efficiency of them comes into it's own.
    Complete opposite to normal cars, you get much better mileage around town than on a long run.
    I burn through kW's much more slowly if traffic keeps my average speed way down, or I'm crawling along stop/go. A clear road with the cruise set to 75 always uses it much faster.
     
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  12. As long as the magic electricity fairies keep producing the power, then EV's are great for the environment - but if, heaven forbid, we ever have to produce electricity from burning fossil fuels then Teslas will become as bad for the planet as any ICE car...
     
  13. Not really. It's still much more efficient to generate electric energy and transport it to your house than it is to refine petrol, ship it half way across the planet and then drive it on trucks to petrol stations, only for you then drive to somewhere you wouldn't normally go, to collect it.
    ICE motors are still MUCH less efficient at converting that stored energy to momentum than electric cars are. Most cars convert around 20% of the stored energy in petrol into motion. EV's are around 60% efficient at converting the electric from the grid, to the road.

    Localised emissions are also a big problem. Cities are pretty bad for your health due to the poor air quality. EV's eliminate exhaust fumes and even if powered by a coal station, it sits way away from the city centre and much better emissions reducing equipment can be used, rather than cars dragging around heavy catalytic converters etc...

    I love ICE engines. Electric cars are kinda dull but there is simply no argument they are not the future for most people. Hopefully us enthusiasts won't be hit too hard though.
     
    #34 Joooooooosh, Jun 22, 2018
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  14. All well and good - but how efficient was the power station that generated the electricity in the first place? And how efficient was the transport system that delivered the fuel to that power station?
    Add in the fact that manufacturing the batteries for EV's is one of the most un-environmentally friendly processes on the face of the planet and EV's are not the great saviour of the world that some would have you believe...
     
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  15. Obviously depends on the power station but you have to believe generating the energy en masse like that is more efficient than doing it individually in each car.
    Also, we are gradually moving towards renewables, like wind or solar. It's not like that tech is just going to vanish...

    I'll grant you the battery thing. Lithium mining is terrible but there is no rule that electric motors have to be powered by this kind of battery. Billions is being spent on other alternatives as we speak.

    What else can you run an ICE on? Diesel? Biofuel? Diesel is kinda out & Biofuels still emit the same emissions. It's debatable if they produce more energy than they take to grow. So no, EV vehicles are not perfect but it seems pretty obvious they are the best option we have.
    We've not actually mentioned the fact that fossil fuels will at some point run out... you think petrol is expensive now, wait until there isn't much left!

    I see combustion engines going the same way as 2 strokes. We'll all have fond memories in 30 years, keep them as collectibles, cherish them but they will no longer be viable for anyone other than hobbyists.

    The next generation of bearded old men will gather in excited circles to drool over that classic 1299 Panigale R... You'll hear stuff like:
    'Don't you miss that smell Dorian?'
    'Sure do Noah , omg that sound'

    Just as the Pani get's obliterated in a straight line by a 2048 model year commuter bike...
     
  16. Hydrogen fuel cell. Far better an option than batteries imo.
     
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  17. Your facts about refining are simply untrue. And it appears you've been a little misguided about the merits of electric vehicles and how efficient they are when all other factors are taken into account.
     
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  18. Could be! Still powers electric motors though... just a different storage method.

    Lithium batteries really do suck. Heavy, big and difficult to make. Won’t be long before a better option arrives.

    I happen to know of a well known company that’s working on their first electric car and they are using a special coating that allows structural surfaces if the car to act as a battery. Cool shit!
     
  19. So you’re telling me that extracting crude oil, refining it and transporting it to a Shell garage is more efficient than generating electricity and piping it to my house...?

    I know the overall lifetime footprint of a battery powered EV vehicle isn’t as eco friendly as some pretend but if the above is true, why is my house not powered by a petrol generator in my shed?

    I mean the overall effort ignored, the fact of the matter is this...

    30 Miles in EV mode in my Golf - ~80p
    30 Miles on petrol in my Golf - ~£3.40

    Fuel is taxed a lot more sure but I seriously doubt that’s going away.
     
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