Anyone tried? There’s a brilliant YouTube channel called Desmoworx that I really enjoy watching. He has a series of vlogs showing how to put an 1199 R engine into an 1199S but I have no idea what Gen R engine it was, nor if the S model makes the switch possible? Have tried contacting him via Insta but no reply. There’s a Gen 2 R breaking at the mo and I fancy a project for next winter if it’s possible. Cheers
As soon as I saw the thread title I thought of Desmowerx, great channel that. Apparently he's referred to as 'Nellie' and I thought it was the same one as on here. Anyway, I think the only changes physically were the inserts for the adjustable swingarm pivot. Electronics wise seems to be about having the kit to programme dash etc.
I did this last winter, put a modified Pani R engine (2015+) into my 2012 1199S, it works fine. Of course you need a remap for the ECU as the fuel mapping will be totally off. The electronic suspension on the S is not related to the engine, only a relevant problem for ECU/BBS swaps. the only thing you need to be aware of is that the 2015+ 1299 and Pani R engines have a electronic gear sensor on the left hand of the engine, while the 2012-2014 1199's have mechanical gear sensor inserted in the right hand side of the engine and thereby the wiring harness for 2012-2014 1199 have the connector on the right hand side of the bike. So you need to make an extension cord and run it around or over the engine from left side to right side.
Great channel. It does look like a relatively simple switch with just a few fairly cheep bits and bobs required to complete the job. That said, I am a little conscious of the fact that people who are very good at what they do can make difficult tasks look simple!!
I found you previous post from earlier this year mentioning the gear sensor which was very useful. Did you need to buy any special tools to do the change over? I have a fairly good tool kit but it’s been a long time since I had a tool kit that you could earn a living from.
I unfortunately don't have a proper garage to work in, so I got my dealer to do the swap and I was by and helped a bit and learned a bit as well But from what we did while I was there assisting, there weren't any special tools used. the only special thing is it would be recommended to have a proper engine stand to support the engine when taking off the swingarm and the whole front and frame of the bike off the engine. Most of the special tools for the panigale are more if you are working inside the engine
Thanks for the heads up. I see there is a currently a Pierebon stand on eBay. Did you fit the adjustable swing arm kit from the R also ?
you dont need the Pierebon stand from Ebay, although nice to have.. as the first engine out I did was with wooden blocks and car jack etc in the end the one I bought is the Ducati service stand that is height adjustable, and also has an insert that the oil pan sits in. it is then usable on multi models, as it needs just a different insert.. Pn 887133220 Bench engine repair- 280 pounds Pn 887133927 Engine mount ( insert) 182 pounds reference- https://www.bike-parts-ducati.com/d...NIGALE-R/WORSHOP-SERVICE-TOOLS/528/5603/0/528 I find this one is more flexible as I also used the main stand to work on a 999 and 1098
I didn't change to the adjustable pivot kit from the R, if I had gotten a kit at a decent price I probably would have. The dealer had the ducati service stand, which as Natanhu mentions is very flexible and by changing the insert can be used for different models.
Thanks for all of the advice, I’m now confident that A) it will fit B) I have the requisite skills / kit to do the job. Is there anything I need to be aware of in terms of physical inspection? The seller says the engine has done 3.5k and was used on the road up until the last few hundred miles. I’ve searched on here and the usual places and can’t see that there are any inherent probs with the R power units. One thing I am aware/conscious of is the cost of any parts for it should there be problems further down the line! This is probably the one reason that may put me off going ahead.
I’d want to see a vid of it running tbh and it’s service history. There’s plenty of titanium in that motor… good luck and remember photos and post on here
So this has dragged on a bit and I’m currently haggling for some other bits and bobs as part of the deal. Anyway….. Moto Rapido have thrown a bit of a spanner in the works by saying that the MK2 Pani R lump will not work in a base 2013 1199 as the gear position sensor connects to the BBS on the Pani R, where as the MK1 R and the 1199 versions don’t. Their view is that the switch won’t work! After rereading this thread, I’m unsure as to what to do now
Interested to know how you get on. I am about to do some mapping on a 1299 fitted with a genuine RS engine thar is now showing all sort of gear position errors. While I understand you can teach the ecu the correct gear position I didn't know about the different sensors. Guess I will need to take a closer look. If I can get it all to work it should be an interesting track bike.
I have a 2012 1199S with Tuneboy installed on the standard electronics loom, and as mentioned earlier in the thread, we made an extension cable to get the sensor attached to the loom plug with the sensor which is on opposite sides of engine. Once that was done and it was taught where the gears are, it works just like before and reads the gears as expected. Did 7k KM with it last season without a problem. I therefore think MotoRapido are incorrect in stating it won't work.
Still using the standard S throttle bodies - only thing we changed in the air box was the shorter plastic “trumpets” between the injector and the throttle bodies, that are shorter on the 1299 superleggera. They probably have a real name, but not sure what they are called, so trumpets is my descriptive word . But they only effect the air flow into the bodies and have no connection to the electronics.
