I’ll stand to be corrected but I don’t think the current MoT for a motorcycle, has a noise or emissions test. It is at the tester’s discretion, following guidelines, to pass or fail. My MoT tester will add an advisory for any exhaust that is not original equipment regardless of legality. The point at which the shit hits the fan, is when the local constabulary gets involved or a loss adjuster decides the bike is not road legal. I believe Ducati started requiring the signing of a declaration at the purchase point of an exhaust that might not be legal in the country they are bought, in response to a major investigation into Ducati America. Their offices were raided and all sorts of stuff seized, initially reported to be because of the sale of “race exhausts”. IIRC, the sale of race exhausts for road bikes is prohibited in the state of California. Andy
In the corporate world , yes , they will screw you if they have a chance , agree , put this to bed . I for one know I will be okay . You take your chances , that’s fine . I was only putting a genuine reason for checking and keeping your life on the path you intended , not turning it upside down . Just giving the truth nothing more .
Sorry to carry on , but the MOT has no relation to the Insurance , the exhaust is not road legal , so it’s uninsurable , simple … Christ so many folks hoping they will get away with it , makes me smile.
This is somewhat correct. California government has a division call the California Air Resources Board, CARB for short, every vehicle there, be it 2, 3, 4, or more wheels must have a catalytic convertor. As we all know, race exhausts do not have the cat, which is why they are marked non-road. In California's case, the vehicle cannot even be registered, thereby negating the insurance debate. No insurance company will insure a road bike that is not registered, even in the "great" state of Texas where we may as well still be the old wild west.
Back to my earlier question, if you buy a full system online (Akra/ Terminal etc), there's no waiver, and there's nothing printed on the exhaust itself, where do you stand legally? Or if you buy decat headers, also with no waiver or stamp on the system, where do you stand legally?
Regardless if you had a claim that the insurance company refused to pay out on, then it would be on you to sue the company who sold it to you, not the insurance company. Two different contracts that have no bearing on each other. My guess is the invoice will say 'not for road use' and that will be their defence.
It doesn't have to be a contributing factor. If an insurance company has to pay out say a £1 million+ claim to a injured third party, they will.....but if the bike is not road legal, they are within their rights to come after you to recover what they have paid out. That's the catch that could ruin some one's life forever.
Notwithstanding that everyone is entitled to make their own decisions on matters such as this, Captain is absolutely correct here. If you decide to take your chances and fit an exhaust that will categorically NOT be insured on your bike and god forbid, you should be involved in a serious incident, just about any insurance company will hang you out to dry! They WILL avoid responsibility, no matter what you might think to the contrary. Get f*****g real, having a louder exhaust adding perceived better acceleration and throttle response, on a bike that virtually all of us can't take entire advantage of, even in standard mode, is simply something done to be able to shout off about at a bar and is an entire waste of space, time, money, etc...... Forget it and spend your money on something far more worthwhile and relevant
Just to add the police will seize vehicles if there is a fatality or serious life-changing injury involved.
What if it’s purchased privately, and both parties didn’t know it wasn’t road legal? I’m not trying to be awkward, just interested to know people’s thoughts on various scenarios. As it’s only “not road legal” due to sound, if the person has declared their bike as having a power enhancing exhaust modification ‘if’ a scenario ever went to court, as far as that person is concerned, their bike is legal and insured, so how could a case be brought against them. Again, these are one in millions scenarios, as nobody has been able to show any evidence of a case where this has happened, but it’s an interesting conversation, nevertheless. My insurance company has quoted me around £300 more to insure the bike with the system, add that to the cost of it, and that’s a damn good bike holiday, so I can’t be arsed with it. Especially as the RS has more than enough power for me. The main reasons I would have got one is for the fuelling, and aesthetics, as the standard cat looks hideous. I may just get it ceramic coated and leave it at that. Or not bother doing anything at all, as I can’t be bothered.
There’s a high chance that if there’s a fatality with my bike, that fatality will be me, so I probably won’t be that worried about my exhaust as I’m floating up out of my body. I’ll be more annoyed that my wife ended up with a free house and I didn’t.
I don't know what country you live in, but in Spain, at the vehicle inspection (ITV), they put vehicles through the appropriate machines to measure noise and exhaust gases. If you don't pass or have the approval, they won't return your documentation until you reverse the reforms. If, after a certain period of time, you don't do so, they revoke your license to drive on racetracks, and you can only use it on private tracks. And there are mobile exhaust checkpoints and approvals at points on public roads. Specifically, they even carry out mobile inspections of electric scooters to see if they are modified and exceed the permitted speed, motorcycles with modifications, but especially with the exhaust, and cars with modified wheels or brakes.
Yeah, well, whatever, back on topic. Can't give a bog standard comparison as mentioned and pulled the pin on that grenade however, there are some immediate differences. On a different thread I have stated I can confirm different seat geometry/shape, heated and lowered seat. Feels comfier and a little softer, with the general design and materials feeling more high end. Differences in software/dash interface. Largely the same but the rider customisations are now a little different, more options. Heated accessories also have a different interface with 5 settings for both grips and seat. Geometry and suspension wise the PP was great as is the new one. Feel from the handle bars and turn in is good maybe better, can't say it is massively different. Does seem very planted on the front now though, again not that the '24 isn't, but it just seems more confidence inspiring to me. Could all be psychological, new bike syndrome or the swing arm pivot move is actually noticeable? Could also be new tires etc. The Touring mode on the Ohlins is far softer and more compliant. So much so, after fitting a new tail tidy and setting the plate angle at what I thought was okay, I knocked the reflector clean off the bottom after a decent bend. The suspension settings have what seems to be a much broader range and is genuinely changeable from touring to sports and not just a gimmick. Still feels heavy, to push around, back up etc. but once you're on the move it's like riding a 250cc. But it is a big bike and you'll never get away from that. Front brake lever is 100% firmer which I like, when I make an input I expect a response which is what I now have. Back brake is not amazing, but it is night and day compared to the previous and is useable. Just the fact the pedal is raised and allows you to use it for road riding is nice without having to break your ankle. Anti collision? Well I haven't had one yet so I guess that's working? That is a Euro 5 + tick box exercise, don't think it will ever be a genuinely useful tool, not on two wheels. Overall, is it an improvement? Yes, definitely. Worth changing your old one for a new one? Not that much in it. I'm glad I have changed, but if only to keep me out of MOT territory etc. That's not really justification for the new one though. As reviewers have said, lots of small changes do make a difference. For me, the brakes and rider mode changes are worthwhile, touring if that's your thing is a definite improvement. I am also glad I did not go for the RS. If I'm going back that route then I would just go full on sports and this is by far the best option for me, just my opinion. Bottom line, it's a multistrada, what's not to like!?!?
Curious to see how tyre wear will be on the new one as only had 1000 miles on my first (old) one before rejection and the Rosso 4 showed lots of wear even with a steady 600 mile run in . Thinking about a possible change from my Grand Tour but struggling to get more than 2 k from a set at the moment (Conti Ta 3) and the spare set of wheels with M9rr on have only managed 1300 so far and they are close to worn out . Maybe the 190 on the rear may help to reduce the wear but would be interesting to hear your findings and others as never had the chance to find out on my 22 plate PP
I have M7RR’s fitted and have been pleasantly surprised. The front is getting closer to toast than the rear but after 2500 miles, hardly surprising. For me, it’s a much better tyre than the Rosso IV and the Roadtec 02. I’m confident I’ll get 3000 miles which on my 1200, was unheard of. The only caveat, I’m not quite as much of a hooligan as I was on the 1200 Roadtec 01SE’s for me next. Andy
To be fair I was on about the set not just the rear I’m hard on the brakes and use the front to steer , and the rear to settle . But that is on the 19 /17.
