As has already been said wow this is a odd thread or at least some responses seem odd to me.I amazed at how many folks are outraged at a bit of rule bending.If you apply this rule through out you will end up handing your go pro in to the police and reporting any rule bending on a ride out.Im sure your rule bending ride out buddies will really thank you for that lmao.Talk about when it suits them eh. For the record I don't shill bid very often as I usually set the auction start at price I want but this can make sales far more difficult.A great solution would be for ebay to reduce rip off pricing for setting reserves to 99p.That would encourage more people to use this function instead of cheaper shill bidding practices.Funny thing is when I did shill bid lately my auction went well above shill bid (reserve price) I set so no need.Better be careful here as some forum member will want to grass me up for this lol.At the end of the day ebay wont reduce reserve anymore than they will put serious money and staff into investigating shill bidding. Ask yourselves this.Is 90 euro reasonable for a new aftermarket pressure plate.Id be more interested in quality of ally and value for money compared to other brands than shill bidding.If the answer is yes then whats the problem.Like I already said ebay has a lot of shill bidding so if you find it so outrageous go to a ducati dealer and buy a official ducati performance item off them.But then if they showed you what they actually paid or that other ducati dealers are cheaper you wouldn't like that either. To me by avoiding these ebay sellers all you are doing in reality is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Matt fine so you blame shill bid that you did on eBay prices. Well do not like the prices and rules do not sell on eBay. If you do not set a reserve accept the risk. You could always put all of it as buy it now, no one is stopping you. Riding fast and not getting caught is the same as shill bidding and no one knows. This guy got caught out. And no it is not fair, I bet you would not be happy if you went to your local, picked up a pack of beer for £5. Went to pay for it and got told it is actually £10 pay up. If you do not we will challenge that. It is simple you sell it under certain rules you stick to them and accept the risks.
Everyone bends the rules in life though don't they (especially if it saves rip off reserve pricing) or I guess im the only one.In fact totally ignore that tip of mine earlier as although you will get better deals and save money its against the rules and we are all for following them to the letter as we do when we ride our bikes lol.Enjoy paying that higher price and sit back knowing you have added another 10% to ebays coffers along with listing fee paypal fee etc etc. There was another prolific shill bidding seller on ebay from Germany with a three letter company name hint hint.How those shill bidding scamming whores (tongue in cheek) managed to get a great reputation and many thousands of customers selling alternate high quality parts for much much less than the official ducati dealers where charging is beyond me.The bastards. If its that bad on ebay and it seems that way to me visit your ducati dealer instead.Pop in grab the DP book pull ya pants down,bend over and get ready for a John Holmes size rogering.Or buy item for much less from ebay seller that maybe shill bidding as a cheaper way of setting reserve.The choice is yours.
Ps ive deleted my money saving advise post as its against the rules and don't want anyone to get the hump and grass us up to ebay.Just to even things up always worth checking ducati dealers pricing as sometimes ebay sellers price is far higher than the extra 10% final value fee.So ducati dealers are not all bad lol if it sounded like that.
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It is beyond the point here and price is not an explanation. You do not want item to sell below certain value do not sell it without reserve, do not like fees do not use ebay. Frankly seeing that a 400g square block of alloy costs between 3.5gbp and 10gbp even 90 euros seems a bit high price. Saying that price is what you are prepared to pay for and auctions are there so you can try and pay less then what you are prepared to pay for. Otherwise I would go straight for buy it now. You can try and excuse your self all you want but we all know that while auction format has a risk of selling for less it also often sells for more then "Buy it Now" and I do not see you or anyone else rushing to refund the difference each time it happens.
For the record, I agree with Dirty. And Lukasz's comments are spot on too. If a bidder raises the price in this way, then retracts his final bid, surely it is "fair" that ALL of his bids are retracted, not just the last one, since he has dropped out of the ENTIRE auction system. And, on the subject of what is "wrong", well surely every single word in the English language is open to some interpretation of its meaning in the precise context in which it is used. Also, I do find comments like "its the way of the world, just accept it" to be both simplistic and disappointingly negative.
I just look at the bigger picture but if you guys want to play inspector clouseau on every item you bid on then knock yourselves out.Like I said in earlier post I purchased a nice pair of shoes of shill bidding seller.Maybe I should have just reported him and then paid over £500 more in the shops.Thats what I meant by cutting off your nose to spite your face. Zero or 99p autions with no reserve for high quality items (ducati parts etc) are just a marketing tool surely.If those ebay sellers start selling pressure plates for 60 euro they might go out of business no if it costs them that.They could always set a reserve but as this is expensive price will go up no doubt.Or like me they can start the auction at the price they want most of the time but its fucking hard work that way for sure.Putting up with the endless silly offers from the ' something for nothing' brigade. As for me I will continue saving lots of money buying off ebay sellers regardless of a bit of shill bidding going on.Like ive said over and over its just a cheap way of setting reserve but rules are rules and should never be broken according to some.
Lucaz my whole point is nobody normally gives a shit.Most only care about quality and a bargain money saving price. If I bid on a brand new set of carbon Dymags or BST's and win them for £1000 only to find out seller has been shill bidding what is my reaction.Outrage at saving £1500 and cancel sale and report seller to ebay. Not fecking likely ill be hitting the paypal button asap lol. Maybe as nobody seems to give a shit it doesn't get reported that often and when it does ebay do very little.Setting reserve prices to 99p would do it but ebay would not do that as it will lead to them losing money even though ebay experience would be better for both sellers and buyers.
I don't think most buyers are aware how prevalent this is, and even if they are it doesn't make it right. Shill bidding if and when it goes on, is not 'bending rules' it is cheating, fraudulent and dishonest. If you think that everybody lives their life like that then fortunately you are very wrong in my experience. Whether the final price for an item is or isn't good value for the buyer on a purely economic scale is to miss the point by a country mile. If shill bidding was involved it was reached by underhand methods in what was supposed to be an open and honest auction and in that context was not good value because the true price, ie the highest legal bid was discarded by the action of the shill bidder. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. The difference between what would have been the highest bid and the price reached due to shill bidding is fraudulently obtained, regardless of knowledge or how happy someone is to pay it anyway. Incidentally I did not post with the intent of making people avoid Forza Moto completely, Just to make them aware of what had previously happened in some of his auctions and that it possibly happens elsewhere. Whether people are then happy to be shill bidded up to their maximum is a personal decision and up to them. Better though that they have that knowledge prior to bidding on an auction and that was all that I wanted to do. I am pleased to say though that Forza Moto now seems to have taken steps to prevent bidder N***t from messing with his auctions by setting the start price higher. In fact he sold the same pressure plate recently for less than €60. I believe the start price was around €57 and was won by the only bidder. I would have bid on it myself and therefore it would have raised more but I am still banned from buying his stuff! Anyway if anyone here bought it and wants to make a quick profit pm me!
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Shill bidding is a cunts game. It's done to falsely inflate prices on eBay to increase bids from sincere bidders. Some consider this behaviour acceptable, others don't. It isn't going to go away so you're better off avoiding sellers who engage in shill bidding. Thank you OP for posting the trader on here. Hopefully others can then decide if they want to do business with that individual.
Its a damn shame the 2 auctions for ducati STM parts I bid on lately were not shill bidders.I had my fingers crossed they would get back to me the next day saying problem with buyer etc and id happily pay my max for items as it was a absolute bargain on both. I guess we are coming at this from different angles though as my top priority is high value parts for a bargain and avoiding costs by dealing direct with sellers where possible even if that means bending rules. Where as others there priority is buying cheap anodized tat and that sellers follow the rules to the letter.
So anyone who does not have any issues with shill bidding. Imagine that you were selling an item on fleabay and a bidder has 2 accounts. Account A outbids the highest bid with the minimum incremented amount. Then outbids himself with his B account (possibly setting the current bid to a level were it would be cheaper to buy it in a store or via buy now). Moments before auction ends B retracts his bid. U would then have to sell the item to account A for a minimum price. Can u honestly say you would take it with a smile then? But hey, I don't use Ebay.
The part in question was a DP part, so anodised tat maybe, but cheap certainly not. If following the rules to the letter means buyers are not fraudulently led into paying more than the true auction price then yes, that's exactly it. If a seller has a minimum he'll accept set a reserve or do a buy it now with a best offer option. The tools are there so cheating is not necessary, nor in my eye justifiable. But hey, lets all leave our principles at the door when it comes to getting a bargain.
So why did you not put a wining bid on those STM parts if you knew they were at bargain price at that time? Was it perhaps cause you tried to have an auction based on auction rules? I mean you were obviously prepared to pay more so why didn't you? So where is the line between buying high value parts for low price avoiding costs and buying high value parts for even lower price where those parts where at one stage yours ...... till they came and nicked them. Sorry but the way I see it, it's almost like theft, to a degree. There are "crimes" that are most of the victimless or always victimless. I am happy to brake those rules any time of the day as most serve no good purpose. Do not walk on grass, speeding, do not use bus lane or similar. Then there are "crimes" that have a victim involved shill bidding is one of them as someone down the line got scammed of his money.
Unfortunately I didn't win due to lack of funds and the fact seller was not shill bidding to set a low reserve. I think the only line I draw with high quality high value parts is a realistic one on price and accepting shill bidding as a cheap reserve. Funny ive never paid above my max bid so never viewed it as a problem.The seller of the 895 euro shoes I purchased set a shill bid reserve of £150.The greedy bastard lol.They are current season and rare as rocking horse shite to boot.Im one happy customer and would buy off them again no problem.
Even if you do accept shill bidding as a cheap way to avoid eBay costs on reserves, which I don't, it should be done at the beginning of an auction like a reserve price would be. As an aside I didn't realise hoverboots had been invented yet, or are the €895 shoes the time travel version!
I don't shill bid or any other kind of bid............In fact I don't use Ebay........... .........already had enough with being defrauded once via what the bank investigators think stemmed from either Ebay, PayPal or both........... At least I don't have any hassle now.........
