... have rejected an 11% pay rise and are preparing a strike ballot. What world do these people live in ?
whats the facts? hours v pay? how are they being spoken to by the health minister? whats their options?
A world in which lots of hours they have hitherto been paid as overtime will become standard hours, resulting in no real pay rise at all. Why, what world do you live in?
When I saw the thread title, I thought we were talking about the youth wing of the Valentino Rossi fan club
how about some real facts so we can all feel sorry for them and how hard they are being done to what is their current base salary?
When I read up about it last week on the bbc page it said that a first year junior doctor was on 23k a year plus overtime but a first year doctor that was working a 93 hour week, said , only earned 38k in a year . No wonder they are complaining . It takes about 5 years to become a junior doctor and they earn fuck all at the end of it . No one should work 93 hour a week .
Whereas my friend's son just finished his law degree at Cambridge and starts on £47k. If he makes a cock up no one dies. If I were a junior doctor I'd be on the picket lines.
It's a very confusing topic. Basic pay information here: BMA - Pay Scales | British Medical Association No doubt more there are more details on that website about about what is being offered now, but important to note that it is a Trade Union site. One is left with plenty of questions, like: - How long is a "Junior doctor" in a "training" scenario, and what is the truth about the overtime situation? - How long does it typically take to become a Consultant? - How much more do Consultants make through additional private work? (not saying they shouldn't) - How many GPs are "Salaried"? (many are partners, not "salaried" and can do well out of that arrangement I think) - Just how many doctors work through agencies, or as locums, and how much can they make then? What are the pension arrangements? (however much they complain, there still have much more certainty in that area than many other workers).
Tell ya what if you need them you'll be bloody glad to see one, now an mp who gives a feck about them? In the firefighters strike the misinformation was unbelievable , never underestimate the power of government and how low they will stoop. The doctors deserve our support 100%.
Im sure they do deserve all our support but where does all the money come from? If it is about money?
Most of these types of workers are fully deserving considering their hours. My wife is a teacher and I want her to quit. At work by 0700, home by 1800-1830 then carries on working until 2300. Always needs to give up one weekend too. That's all so she can be classed as an outstanding teacher (which she is) so that she qualifies for the extra point pay rise... Which she hasn't gotten for the past 2 years as it's down to the discretion of the schools finances and they're in a deficit. It's only the transport workers that I find ill deserving as they get paid enough for the hours they work but their unions are too strong. Most of their strikes are about the simple fact that they can be replaced by a computer.
lets face it all doctors are grossly underpaid a well publicised case of a married doctors on holiday in Portugal who could not even afford to pay for a baby sitter when on holiday and the state has now picked up a police bill for over £10 million to find this missing child - it would have been far more cost efficient to pay them a lot more money so they could afford to pay for baby sitters
just for a bit of balance.. a while back a london doctor on here complained that although he was on £40ph don't know if he was locum or not, wasn't paid at time and a half for overtime. i don't remember him receiving to much sympathy at the time. no wonder there is staffing issues. who would go in to the NHS considering the bashing it gets from the opposition party's and their associated press. they dont make it look very appealing, despite the obvious physiological issues of being surrounded by the ill and dying, the terms and conditions dont look to bad from the outside looking in. sorry about sounding like a broken record but my surgeon mate,a Welshman, teaches in london works up here assures me that the English and welsh NHS is in total disarray, he also isnt best pleased with the contracts the GP's have managed to negotiate but i guess that's supply and demand for ya. JV whats yer thoughts seeing as you started this thread?
As I recall the junior doctor was saying his overtime should be untaxed which was what sparked the lack of sympathy, he posted the same thing on tha Alfa Romeo owners forum that I used to frequent and got the same response there. You have to ask yourself why a junior doctor after at least 5 years training and with life and death responsibilities should (1) get paid half what a junior corporate lawyer gets after a similar period of training and (2) get paid a miserable rate for hours outside their contracted hours.
do they really work 93 hour weeks though? Lets see some evidence. Anecdotal responses from both sides are hypocritical. Has any ever seen a poor doctor?
I'd like to see a system of universal free-at-the-point-of-use health provision that works. That's the concept I'm attached to, not the three letters NHS or the principle that health care must always be provided by a state bureaucracy. As long as its sustainable and it does what it says on the tin, I don't care about the politics of it nor what its called.
