1098 1098 hid lights problems

Discussion in '848 / 1098 / 1198' started by drtcmm, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. Hi, I have just installed an HID kit to the hi and low beam on my bike. The kit was just a car kit of eBay so I got both bulbs and ballasts in one. I went for the 55w kit. My problem is I ride along for about 10 minutes and all is fine then the orange warning light comes on and the head lights stop working along with the indicators and the dash lights. A couple of minutes later it all comes back on. Does anybody have any idea what the problem is? Thanks
     
  2. Hi drtcmm

    Disconnect battery for at least 30 minutes this should reset Ecu, have you checked all the connections.
     
  3. Check all your connections.... mine was doing just this, they had melted!
     
  4. Interesting never came a cross that one before. I've been running HID 55W both lights for a long time and no issue.

    It does sound on first thoughts that its the dash, dash plug or power to the dash.

    Is your failure totally repeatable, if so how many times? If its exhibiting the same behavior time after time then it doesn't sound too good. If however its only happened a couple of times my guess is that somehow the dash plug or a vital wire to the dash has been pulled and contact is unreliable.

    If it was me I'd strip down the front and inspect all the wiring and plugs, after Mooneybravo's suggestion as that's a lot less trouble.

    Maybe Denzel will pop on later if anybody can solve it he's yer best bet.

    John
     
    #4 Old Jock, Mar 14, 2014
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  5. I will try the battery. I does have a gear indicator to and it doesn't seem to work right. Only half the number shows. Could it be that? The lights never did that before I fitted the hids though. I think I will strip it and check the connections to the shift indicator and the lights just to be safe. Then maybe install the standard bulbs to rule out the problem
     
  6. Gear indicator shouldn't be a problem, but would do no harm to disconnect and test, but I would be surprised if that was the issue.

    Depending on the HID kit some draw quite a large current for a short period and obviously this could cause a problem. However all the recent types are getting better and mine is at least 3 years maybe 5 years old.

    All I'm thinking is in all the jiggery pokery you pulled something in the loom unknowingly, God knows I've done a lot worse.

    As you stated you could also take the HIDs out of circuit and run a test with the Halogens again, to prove to yourself. I suppose the HIDs could be interfering with the Canbus as they can generate odd frequencies, but I've never heard of it being a problem.

    For me wiring and plugs would defo be the first actions. Then onto the science experiments

    Good luck be nice if you reported up what worked and what did not

    John
     
  7. Yes I will. I have a feeling it could be the wires that go into the bulb harness I got with the kit. It's just 2 pins that push into a plug. Not a male and female plug. Weird I know but that's how it came. Will they work if there wired up in reverse? That is possible with my kit. What kits have you guys bought?
     
  8. Ok I know what you mean re pins you need to get the plug

    This is what you need to sort that

    Pair Xenon HID Kit Plug Socket H8 H9 H11 Male Connector Ducati GSX-R Kawasaki | eBay

    If its the same as mine was you won't even need the supplied pins as the existing ones on the kit wiring will slot straight into the plug.

    TBH I'm not sure on polarity, I took note of the polarity and made sure it was correct. It could cause problems for sure, usual rules apply darker for ground, brown, black etc:

    Kit I bought was a car kit 55W 6K colour temp from DDM. As long as you avoid super cheapy then I reckon you're going to be Ok with them.

    John
     
  9. The ones I bought were £59 but I think they sent cheap ones as there not the same as in the eBay pic and the canbus bit is not built in its in a little box. All the wires look ok ie not melted so next is to take them off and see if the problem goes away
     
  10. Again unsure if relevant but mine did not come with any magic boxes for Canbus applications. I think I know what you're referring to as I've had other odds and ends that come with these little black boxes for Canbus apps.

    I just installed, wired and it all worked, no special boxes or allowances for the Canbus

    John
     
  11. Well I have put the standard bulbs back in and taken the hids out of the loop. Everything is back to normal. Nothing trips out so it must of been a rubbish set of hids I got. Looks like I will get another set and try again. Thanks for all the help though
     
  12. Glad no damage done.

    I'd strongly recommend getting these H11 plugs though to secure the power leads. IMHO relying on non locking pins is asking for trouble with such a safety critical item

    John
     
  13. Hopefully the next kit I buy will already have them. If they don't I will buy them though
     
  14. Last word from me, the only thing I can think of is that you really did get a couple of duffers, which is unusual even for the cheapies.

    Purely supposition, I reckon that the ballast has been somehow back feeding harmonics onto the wiring (although of what multiples I have no clue) and this has been upsetting the canbus or electronics in the dash directly.

    John
     
  15. I have two led bulbs for the running lights. Upon googling some threads say I have to reverse the polarity of the left one. Is this true, or do I just plug them in?

    Thanks.
     
  16. I had to on one of mine as I recall, again its a while back and I cannot remember which side.

    You shouldn't do any damage just putting them in and see if they work, they either will or they won't as the LED only allows current to flow in one direction, bit like a mechanical check valve
     
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  17. It depends from bike to bike which side it is but nearly all of them need one side reversing. IIRC, the clutch side is the most common one but mine was the brake side. Dead easy to change over though, just gently pull the centre out, the side pin out Of the bulb holder and reverse. No cutting of wires needed.
     
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  18. Do you guys remember which ones you went for for the headlamps? I only have running light bulbs currently.

    Thanks.
     
  19. Both running and Headlights are LEDs on mine. Sorry, can't help you there.

    Ian
     
  20. I'm confused, on mine (early 1098S) there are no side/running lights in the main headlamp modules, only the H7 bulbs

    The small modules in the center have the LEDs are H6W, aka BAX9S, there are loads of different offerings on E-Bay at the time I just chose the brightest I could find
     
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