I've an itch to buy another big sportsbike before i get too old and have been looking at 1098's. I've read up a bit about them and from what i can gather the 1198 is a bit more brutal in its power delivery than the 1098. Can anyone here confirm the differences between the two in terms of road use? Also as far as i can gather no 1098's (other than the 1098R) have traction control. I thought that only the 1198S and above had DTC but looking at a few ads it seems some 1198 base models do as well. Is this correct or do all 1198 have DTC? Any other advice on the differences between the two will be gratefully received.:biggrin:
Too old = Loses its appeal or body no longer wraps around the shape of the bike.:biggrin: I went off sportsbikes for a while but my 748 reignited the bug.
I'm an old giffer but still love my sportsbikes. And thankfully still feel comfortable on it. Or at least I did the last time I went out. If I can remember that far back.
The 1198's are smoother than the 1098's in standard trim. The 1198 has a better power delivery low down and less aggressive than the 1098. If I were looking for either of these now I would go for a 2011 1198sp or a 1098R. The SP's are the 1's closest to an R without the exotic engine internals or carbon single seat unit amongst 1 or 2 other minor parts..
Having owned both an 07 1098S and an 08 1098R at the sametime, I only used the 1098S on 3/4 occasions in 5 months. The 1098's were quite aggressive compared to the 1198's. the 11's were a lot smoother, don't get me wrong the 10's are still very good. You can ofcourse have the ECU's remapped these days and make other throttle changes to get the desired effect your looking for. Believe it or not you'll notice the extra 100cc, as you progress through the gears.
When the word 'aggressive' is used, in what context? Rawer? Faster accelerating? Rougher fuelling? More on/off switch than smooth progressive throttle? I've often heard the 1098 suffers from fuelling issues because of the emissions etc and so has a raw on/off element, whereas the mapping etc on a 1198 means a smoother more progressive delivery, albeit probably faster and 'more' than a 1098 (obviously no incl the R). And when a PC or map tune is done its like another bike.
Thanks, very well put Bradders.. i didn't notice the rougher fuelling with a full Termi system fitted, but the raw on/off element does springs to mind. I think that the ECU's had a different mapping on the 11's making the power more progressive.
The 1098R's rev about 3/400 rpm higher than 1198's I noticed the difference quite quickly between the 2, even though they theoretically have the same CC's, they are set-up differently. ECU/mapping probably being the main change. You need to do a test ride on them to make up your own mind as what you want.!.
If you have the budget, I don't know why anyone would go for a 1098 over an 1198. They were just evolutionary iterations of the same bike, so it generally makes sense to go for the newest version you can afford. The exception to the evolution is the 1098R which is imho the most desirable of the 1x98 generation, but you can buy 2 x 1098s for the price of one 1098R. The engine in the 1098R is unique to itself, was the only homologation model, and the market values them accordingly. In terms of increasing budget, the options are pretty clear: 1098S, 1198S, 1198SP, 1098R. All of them can be mapped and adjusted to provide as smooth/seamless a wave of power you want, so all discussions about smoothness are irrelevant. Buy the best you can on condition, history, etc. The rest can be sorted.
