I have a lovely pair of foggy titanium and Carbon termis. These are super light weight compared to the normal carbon termis I've compared the 2 in each hand and these weigh next to nothing. There is a slight mark on one of the titanium tubes which I've photographed when fitted is in notoicable. There's a pair of these on eBay at the moment £1200. These are ultra rare and will only go up in value. £600 posted any questions please ask 07903607391