cam bearings

Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by johnboy, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. okay one for the technically inclined among us
    engine is a 750 ss ie air cooled 2 valve engine
    is it possible to change the cam bearings on both cylinder heads with engine still in frame
    and the heads still on engine

    just thinking of having them changed and wondered if it was an engine out job or heads off

    :upyeah:
     
  2. I have done the front cylinder...........and at a guess the rear one can be done just about.....

    If you need to know how it was done, just shout.....

    But first of all, either buy or make a socket for the silly pulley nuts and a tool to hold the pulleys..........a large spanner is wot I done used for the pulley tool.

    AL
     
    #2 Ghost Rider, Mar 4, 2014
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  3. cheers al going to look into it a bit more
     
  4. Assuming the head design is like a 900? then I would say it would be possible (although not sure of clearance between frame & head on rear cylinder).

    Turn the engine 'till the piston's high enough to stop the valves falling in though before you remove all the rockers. :wink:

    The only thing that would concern me though, is that if the bearings are shot then the head could probably do with a refresh anyway (reseat valves etc.) so it maybe worth dismantling to do the whole job...
     
  5. Get the the pulleys to all line up with their timing marks.....Whip the cam covers off.

    Firstly remove the tacho drive pinion and boss from the head (one bolt).

    I found that only the 'push down' rockers needed to be removed.......the raising rockers will keep the valves from dropping....note the shims locations either end of the rocker shaft.........You will have to turn the cam slightly in both directions to get it to miss the raising rockers as you draw it out.


    There are three bearings, one that is in the cam bearing cap on the left side of the head (remove this next and watch out for thrust washers)..........

    ........then once the pulley is off on the right side, there is are spacers and oil seal........dig the seal out carefully.

    Once that is all off, you can draw the cam from the left side (it may pay to do this first)..........there could be a woodruff key on the right side of the cam which is meant to keep the tacho drive gear in place on the cam.....(the 600s and 750s appear not to use the key on later models)

    Pull the first right side bearing out (bolt, washers and socket method) and the tacho drive gear will be seen....that will lift out.

    The other right side bearing (or centre bearing) can then be pulled out.........I wouldn't knock it out.

    When reassembling (reverse order, really and if you use any Bearing Fit you have to work pretty fast) make sure that you bolt the cam cover up before you tighten up the silly nut...........and when you do that up it has to be f***ing tight to make sure the outer right side bearing is pushed hard against the tacho drive gear, which in turn is up against the center bearing, otherwise the tacho drive gear may slip on the camshaft and will get chewed up.........Which is why mine had to come apart.
     
  6. cheers guys for the info and al for the detailed report
    but i have not got the time or work area for this myself a the minute
    so am going to enquire about it being done profesionaly
    it would be only the second time in my life i have taken a bike in to fixed rather than doing it myself :frown:
    but on reflection it may be worth it in the end
    i would like to do it myself but thinking hard the decision is going to be how much is going to cost ..............

    also end of the day i want spend this summer riding it not sat swearing at it in bits lol
    plus the other half keeps reminding me i promised i wasnt buying a project but a bike to ride ............silly girl lol
     
  7. I'm not totally sure but Ducti John may be your nearest and probably more cost efficient option
     
  8. have heard of ducati john but not sure where he is based
    but have moto italia near by and v due so was going to have a word there as first port of call
     
  9. ahh found ducati john forgot i had him on my favourites list ...good call :upyeah:
     
  10. I would be surprised if your cam bearings need changing, given the age of your bike..........Mine has done 31K.

    I had to do my front ones (well, two of them....the middle and the pulley side) because prior to me getting the bike, some t*t of an indy Ducati specialist was asked to change the tacho drive pinion because it was making an 'orrible noise and the pinion was chewed up and the cable kept breaking........(apparently it was the second time the pinion was changed for the same reason).

    The 'specialist' did change the pinion, but not before he had stuffed an airline in the pinion hole to clean it out.............If he been that much of a 'specialist', he would have used a mirror to look down the pinion hole to be able to see the edge of the tacho drive gear on the cam which was also all chewed up.........

    .........so effectively he blew all the broken teeth and bits of chewed up particles into the bearings......and elsewhere.........

    ..........so my two bearings were well and truly sh*gged.

    However, the third cam bearing inside the cam retaining cover seemed to be perfectly OK.

    AL
     
  11. i am unsure about the bearings needing changing i was looking into it as to see if they are worn or not
    and in case they were part of my rough running problem
    had a chat with mechanics at italia moto today and said they would be surprised if the bearings needed replacing
    and they had other ideas on my rough running
    save the rest for my main thread cheers guys :upyeah:
     
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