1200 DVT Dtc Intervention....

Discussion in 'Multistrada' started by Funners, Jul 3, 2019.

  1. whilst out on my 1200 this afternoon enjoying the lovley weather we are having at the moment, I recalled a conversation I'd had a couple of weeks ago with a BSB rider I know regarding TC in general and how it imposes itself sometimes unbeknownst to the rider....
    now one of my biggest gripes in the "hole" in the mapping circa 5k or so which seems to interfere quite often, even with much improvement via a Rapid Bike module its still apparent exiting some corners, so this afternoon, I altered the DTC setting, it's been on 4 in Sport (std setting) and I'd seen no need to alter it up to press, I initially dropped it to 2 but that resulted in a big yellow box advising me Id selected Enduro DTC, so back to 3....which is only one down from where it was but bloody hell, its quite a noticable difference in pick up and throttle response, much cleaner, sharper and the hole appears to mostly have gone.
    My assumption at this point is that the DTC sensed the difference between front and rear rotation and intervened slightly, enough to kill the throttle response.
    of course it could all be Emperors new clothes but the 2nd half of the ride was much more interesting than the 1st half :D
    be interested to hear if anyone else has experienced this or if its just me ;)
     
    #1 Funners, Jul 3, 2019
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  2. May notice it allows more front wheel lift too, which also helps drive :upyeah:
     
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  3. If DTC was coming on you would be seeing lights on the instrument panel. The flat spot in the 1200dvt is not caused by the DTC
     
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  4. DTC 3 is designed for track only where grip conditions are both good and stable.
    This is to be used by expert track riders as the DTC in this mode allows side-slipping.
    DTC 4 is designed for both track and road use, with good grip conditions.
    This is the default level for the "SPORT" Riding Mode.

    On the street, your DTC lights should occasionally appear. If they do not, your DTC is set too low.
    Raise it and ride it until they lights-up. If they lights-up constantly, then lower the DTC setting.
    DTC settings are not as much about the rider's skill but more a reflection of a rider's style.

    "We're all like Rossi until we lose control"
     
    #4 DarR, Jul 3, 2019
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  5. It’s all personal preference. No shoulda or woulda here. My 170rwhp k5 1000 had no traction control, other than right hand and common sense

    Also bear in mind a different tyre may screw up the settings, and become overlay intrusive or barely intrusive at all :D its all about software parameters vs rider ones :upyeah:
     
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  6. yeah reading it back it does sound like I'm intimating that the DTC is causing the flat spot, obvs it isnt,
    difficult in text to get over my thoughts , its more like with a seemingly "sharper drive" out of the corner the effect of the flat area is lessened...if that makes sense ?
     
  7. ;) yeah I read the manual as well.....
    my take on it was, this is the 1st bike I've owned with T/C, I'm not overly worried about switching it off entirely as none of my previous "Big Boy bikes" have had it, so with that in mind, I'm going to leave it in 3 and see if it was the placebo effect yesterday or whether indeed the response is sharper than previous :)
     
  8. It does :)

    To get the most grip and drive, there is a tiny amount of tyre slip. Less DTC means more slip which can give better drive. To the point when too much slip means less drive.

    Either be a top class rider and do that yourself, have gps-based mapping so it helps you do it or a factory/aftermarket electronics package and mess with adjustment.

    Ducati do two things excellently: braking and electronics :upyeah:
     
  9. Ive never seen my DTC on my 1299. Its set at 2, but Ive always been progressive with throttle. My 1198 one I switched off completely. Esp when at 8 in rain, I thought bike was fucked. Trouble with DTC lights is that I rarely look at dash, so if they did come on I wouldnt notice. But I'd probably 'feel' it.

    Its like that lean angle thing, If im leaning the bike over it means Im very concentrated on my exit and have no time to look on dash. So whats the point? Who knows?

    TBF, Im prob not good enough to warrant all the elec goodies.
     
  10. Thought the same thing and have yet to notice them on my Multistrada. A few years back on the Panigale TrackStar Day at Silverstone I certainly noticed them lighting up on the 1299, was in the periphery of my field of vision but being at the top of the dash definitely noticeable.

    From another thread on here I tried playing with the DWC and ATC settings on my Muttley last weekend when in Wales and Yorkshire Dales last weekend. I set in Sport and reducing DTC to 3 and DWC to 1. Result is a rear tyre that's a bit chewed up and marginally triangular in profile due to me squirting it out of corners o_O:blush: Maybe that would have happened anyway but the settings possibly exacerbated the wear.
     
    #10 Bumpkin, Jul 4, 2019
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  11. It’s bumpy roads that make it more noticeable, as DTC doesn’t like a rear wheel going light;)
     
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  12. Was bumpy enough on Sunday that when getting off the bike on arriving home the number plate was swinging on one screw where there had been four... The rear reflector, it's bracket and three of the screws/nuts are somewhere between here and the peak district... Had to bodge with cable ties to get me to the monthly IAM meeting last night.
     
  13. DWC is OFF... zero not interested at all in any intervention in that dept
    Conversation I had with BSB rider was how ( in his opinion) TC interfered at a much lower level and ramped up to full activation with bells and whistles to let you know it’s saved yer ass !
    Don’t know for sure but the bike deffo felt “livelier “ after reducing it down a click
    A bit like others have mentioned I’m not sure I’d spot the dash lights flashing as I’m watching where I’m going...
     
  14. If you've never seen them, just go on a dirt road and give your right wrist a twist.
    You'll see the DTC lights for sure if they light up. You can't miss them.

    Less TC and the rear wheel may spin, slide then suddenly grab potentially resulting in a high side get off.
    DTC3 will allow the rear tire to slide which is not the problem in itself. It's the following sudden grab that will ditch the rider.
    Unlike the track, the street junk will allow the tire to slide further. Thus the bigger the slide, the more violent the grab that follows.
    Here's a video with slow motion replay at the 0.49 mark:
    https://youtu.be/JwlZiArfnYg
     
    #14 DarR, Jul 4, 2019
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  15. Yeah I do know the “ possible” consequences however the Multi is a twin with a softer power delivery it’s also only 160 bhp ( ish)
    I’ve managed for years on an R1 with NO T/C at all for nearly as long on an Aprilia RSV Factory with no t/c at all... because let’s face it... in the real world if you are spinning it up out of corners on dry tarmac then you are riding too hard for public roads
    Now if this was a 230 bhp Panigale it might be a different conversation
     
  16. The guy in the youtube video above was not riding hard at all.
     
  17. Too hard for the road conditions....
     
  18. How can you say that? There's not a even a crack in the pavement. He most likely slid on a bit of sand.
     
  19. I've definitely noticed that the TC softens the power delivery coming out of corners. I've noticed it on my current bike (DVT Enduro), and previous bike (Monster 1200S). Made a huge difference to the enjoyment on the Monster, and an appreciable different on the Enduro. The mid-range dip is still there, but on a lower setting it definitely allows for more spirited corner exits. Might have a look at turning down the DWC too...
     
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  20. DTC won’t stop the tyre ‘grabbing’. It stops the slide or reduces it so a ‘grab’ isn’t as severe.
     
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