Hi guys I’m new to Ducati having just started a 916 project but also looking to buy a MS, mainly because I am going on a 7k Europe trip this year and my current speed triple is too uncomfortable for that long. With that in mind, what do you reckon- an early 1200s or the DVT version?? I have heard that the DVT has fuelling issues that cannot easily be remapped out, whereas the early 1200 can easily be made a lot smoother and an all round better ride - any good advice as I have both lined up available at good deals???
Well...… it does also depend on your budget first off. What do you really want the bike for after you have done your touring? Is it a single or two up trip? Are you after some carbon goodies and superlight wheels also? If so then a Pikes Peak could float your boat. Do you want electronic suspension? Or happy to adjust given your abilities? DVT models in my opinion were just an interim before they got it better on the newer 1260 models, but that's just me and I didn't like the way they performed. The fuelling issues of the first generation and the later phase 2 generations twin spark can be iron out lovely and give true aggressive performance unlike the dvt vesrions. Panniers and touring pack are plentiful on 1200 versions. Service intervals were extended to 18000 miles on the DVT versions so a Desmo check is 15000 miles on earlier versions. What are your thoughts?
Happy with my dual spark 2014 PP model. Added Tuneboy Cruise Control, different windscreen, and some farkles. Good to go. Edit: and oh yeah,replaced seat.
Thanks guys Luckily ive got the budget to buy a dvt I have seen but have an I’ve got an offer from a mate of a very clean 2010 model with 3k miles. It’s tempting as it’s mint with lots of carbon and a full termi pipe and obviously £4.5k cheaper than the 2017 DVT. I’m coming from a sports bike background so I need it to tour but also get a move on when I’m in the mood. It’s a solo tour so not worried about pillion comforts
I have a 2017 DVT bought new. At 1st I was not happy with the low end fueling. After 1000mile run in the dealer fitted the full termi system & upmap that I bought with the bike. It is spot on now, with no issues whatsoever. Done 6500 miles now & still love riding it.
The 2010 is the first year of the 1200 Multi and consequently suffered from teething problems. They all got sorted with recalls so check the history of the one you have your eyes on that all the recalls have been done. One of the biggies was a batch of porous cylinder head castings made worse by wrongly specified coolant that didn't have the right anti corrosion properties. That resulted in coolant leaks into the cylinders. IIRC the problem didn't materialise until maybe 10k miles had been done, so I don't know if a 3k one would have a clean bill of health. They didn't all suffer, and you could get a Ducati dealer to check whether its VIN number is in the suspect batch. For instance, I did 24k on mine with no cylinder head issues, but plenty had to have theirs replaced. The power delivery on the 1st gen was direct and relatively unrefined. Quite sports-bike like actually. That was later smoothed out somewhat by the twin-spark model from 2013. The choice of suspension was conventional Showa or conventional Ohlins with electronic preload adjustment on the S. I agree with Peter T that the 1200 DVT motor is not the best for throttle response with what I describe as turbo lag. In fact I run both Touring and Sports mode with the Sports throttle setting as it is flacid with the Touring map. The 1260 is far better in that regard and similar to the twin-spark. Having said that the 1200 DVT is a terrific bike - it shares more of everything with the 1260 including electronic safety nets left right and centre, better lights, the fantastic Skyhook, years of development and more refinement. If you have the cash I think the 1260 is the best bet, but the 1200 DVT is miles more developed than the 2010.I've done over 24k on mine and its a keeper.
I would think any issues with the 2010 would have been addressed by now, and as Coman says not all of them had issues anyway. I wouldn't let that put me off buying a 2010 bike if you are happy with what you are seeing. I had a 2010 for 4 years, and then a 2012 (still pre twin-spark) for the last 4 years. The ohlins adjustable suspension on the 1200S is (imo) superb. If it doesn't have one already go buy the Ohlins suspension ecu, which makes it semi adaptive. It was the suspension alone that stopped me upgrading to the 1st gen skyhook bikes. The 2nd gen skyhook on the DVTs is much better, but still not as compliant as the Ohlins. The DVT is a cracking bike too. I assume given the price difference your not talking about a DVT bike with much warranty left, if any. Either that or a non S version. I would suggest you take both of them for a ride if you can. You may well love the DVT power delivery, later dash, switchgear, etc, and they may well make your decision a lot easier for you. Then again you may wel prefer the power delivery and suspension of the earlier bike, and not phased by the earlier design. One thing to watch - if you intend to use panniers or topbox on your trip give the bike a go with them fitted. The DVT has a tendency to waggle the bars a little with panniers on and when in 3 figures and solo. some don't like it, others don't even notice it. Personally, unless we are talking well up into 3 figures, the mts will give any sports bike a run for its money. I've had mine at a satnav indicated 150+ more than once, fully loaded with panniers, topbox and wife on the back too so doing a solo tour will be a breeze. I also have an R1 but it is getting used less and less as the mts does everything it will do, but in relative comfort. Which ever you choose I'm sure you will love it
Thanks for all the advice guys. The 2010 bike is £6k and totally mint, 3k miles with lots of goodies but no history (! - it’s a reclaim due to bankruptcy- don’t ask!!) The DVT is a very clean 5k bike 67 plate with a years warranty for £10500 - from the amount of research I’ve done that seems a good deal at a main dealer. I’ve used a speed triple for 3 years and I absolutely love it, especially the engine. It’s been perfect for week long tours of northern Spanish mountains but just gets too uncomfortable by about lunchtime in a days touring. Think I’m just gonna have to take the plunge.....
Is it a “Touring” spec bike? These have centre stand (very useful), heated grips (ditto) and panniers. These are also good for resale values. All can be retrofitted by a dealer if not already.
Thent the DVT S sounds like a bargain. My Insurance paid out 12200 for my 17 plate 1200S with 7500 miles in October last year...
That's the bike I'd choose. That's about £900 extra when new. 67 plate is 2017? 5k is barely run in. One thing not mentioned is that some DVTs use oil, some don't. The 1st gen ones never use oil. Using oil isn't something to worry about but you have to keep an eye on the level, especially when touring.
Thanks guys, sorry to be a pain it’s just that it’s a big purchase for me and there’s no substitute for experience
At 10k for a 67 plated 's touring, that's where my money would be. Besides, if the 2010 bike has negative history that will never improve, so regardless of condition and mileage it will be harder to sell on when the time comes.
Deposit paid this afternoon- job done Thanks for the advice guys. Now if anyone has recommendations for multi bike Ducati insurance policy ......?