Was out last night and hit a false neutral at the top of the box using the DQS. I was pretty firm with the shift so I know it wasn't to do with not exerting enough pressure. I rolled off the throttle, waited for the speed to drop and tried downshifting. I'm concerned that there's something not right and what damage could be happening to the box. Bike is still under warranty and i've asked my dealer (Ducati Wolverhampton) to investigate it. Anybody else had this sort of problem? I feel uncomfortable taking the bike out now in case it happens again and leaves me in a situation.
I think everyone has had some missed shifts usually between 4th and 5th for me. I wouldn't read too much into it unless it's a regular thing. I just put it down to the fairly long throw between gears. Nearly 5 years in my 848 Gearbox is sound. (Touches wood)
I'm guessing u have the evo corse SE as u have DQS. Most of us have had this problem and only 4th to 5th to 6th. I think the problem is a quick shifter is made for high revs full throttle shifts if you try and use the quickshifter at lower revs and part throttle open I get these neutrals now I've got used to it and make sure the throttle is full on when I want to use the quick shift I don't get the problem.
Yip, I agree with this. I find if I'm not at full chat, the chances are I'll get a false neutral. I rode a GSXR for 6 years and never once had a false neutral and never clutched up the box. It was a bit of a shock to the system moving to a Ducati. I don't use the DQS much now unless I am riding suitably purposefully to be sure it's going to work. It's by far the worst part of the bike so far, but it's not that bad I guess. As a wee aside, I never use the DQS going 1st-2nd, I tried it once and never again. Most of the time now it's only 2nd-3rd and 3rd-4th. By the time I'm into 4th I'm going way too quickly to be wanting a DQS shift into 5th or 6th... Andy
Thanks for the advice guys. Will avoid DQS for only those spirited moments. Never had this on either my Honda or Kwak before so was a bit concerned last night. What's the advice on getting the gearing back once you hit a false neutral? I assume the gears are still synchronised and just closing throttle and clutching is in order to get another gear?
Dip the clutch, give it a handful of revs and snick it into whichever gear you are close to. Same as you would do a standard blip on downward shifts.
I've had some false neutrals with the DQS, it's quite fun having no to and limiter lights all over the dash if you're on full throttle. I find its not ideal at the top end of the box and best used 1-2-3-4 at most. I still use the clutch unless I'm pressing on, it's not reliable at steady revs though it does work, just can't be guaranteed. I've no concerns about any damage, if I get a false neutral I just kick up again and that usually works.
Just out of curiosity... How difficult is it to replace the standard DQS with an HM strain gauge one?
Cheers. I'll stick with the temperamental OE one then! :smile: Nah, I would imagine all the wiring is there so that's the difficult bit done already (?) Is it just a case of removing and replacing the lever and rod? I can't see me doing it and I'm trying to minimise any more mods anyway.
If you have a factory fitted QS the tricky bit is already done, the bit you are talking about is just a switch. It is possible to dismantle the Ducati shift rod and clean and grease the switch ramp which may help, It made a difference to my 1198SP shift, but its still far from perfect. I'm not convinced the QS is the sole problem its more of a generic Ducati design problem with the length of throw on the mechenism, the best solution is use a firm foot ! good luck
OEM spring loaded shifters (switches) will always be hit and miss imo. Getting a manufacture to agree to that when one lunches the gearbox could be tricky, after all they fitted it.... HM quickshifters are THE quickshifter. Strain gauge technology to sense the perfect shift, and programmable kill times for clean shifts, as well as direction control too to help eliminate stalling when selecting neutral a common problem with some Bi-direction shifters on singles and twins (or L twins for the Ducati correct ). . . . . Don't forget the HM Plus for Ducati connects to the coil packs and not the sidestand cut out or OEM shifter.
