Having grown up in the violence and NF days of the 80's listening to ska and dressing as a skin head for a while, and most of my mates were skinheads, interesting read on one of the most notorious, and violent, ones of that age or probably any age the description so fit what i remember: we were always up for a fight and never backed down..until we got our arses kicked ;-) just shows, if someone this extreme can change his views, albeit because he was gay and had a personal reason too, why not anyone else BBC News - Nicky Crane: The secret double life of a gay neo-Nazi
I knew Nicky Crane and have had the dubious pleasure of being beaten up by him and his cronies when I was a Mod. His younger brother too was gay. He was a nice person. Nicky was a cunt. Fuck him. Glad he is dead.
Local 'celeb' status and dies almost alone in a bedsit...if there isnt a tale to tell your kids in that, I dont know what is
Same goes for all that shite, C18 etc. They can lick my arsehole. I loathe NF skins. Now yer Trojans skins and that are fine. Proper skins but that lot are/were just thugs without the intelligence. I think Ive met only one articulate nazi skin, he was a bass player for a particular 'band'. He was okay but his ideology a bit misplaced. All, and I mean all the others were thick as the proverbial plank. I do like a bit of Ska myself. :biggrin:
What i liked about the article is how it pulls out the original skins were into reggae and ska and not fascists, but it developed into a 2nd wave scene where they became associated with violence and extreme right wing. Then a full cirle to white t short, braces and 14 eyelet DMs meaning you're a bumder. Oh the irony. bit its hard to remember sometimes just how violent the 80's were: mods, skinheads, casuals, hooligans and racial tension
I once got into a quarrel with a skinhead at Snetterton paddock in 1980. From his appearance, I assumed he would be thick. I was wrong and he turned out to be a solicitor, both articulate and devious. Tried to learn from that experience not to make assumptions too quickly about peoples' abilities. The bad guys are not necessarily stupid!
Tbf all the skinheads I knew, and there were a few, were think as two planks. Altho tbf I was one at stages and that means I must be think as two planks too...
It was a nightmare being 18 in 1980's, a Mod and living etc round S.London. I was living in Woolwich. If it wasn't skins, it was Soul Boy/ Casuals, effin Fizzie boys or teds. Yeah, fucking teds ffs.
You're quite correct Peter. However their arrogance often gives them away. As does their condescension and sometimes patronising remarks. Never assume the nice guys can't spot a tosser either. :biggrin:
new of nicky the fuhrer in and around punk and oi scene being a scooterboy around London and the south, no surprize he was gay, there was some notorious gay skinhead gangs in Bournemouth and Brighton in the early eighties , they weren't discriminant, they would kick your head in , even other skinhead gangs, no excuse needed, we kept well away from the winter gardens in Bournemouth, but different times and different era, cant say I agree with all the immigration , but what colour or sexually you are is not a choice you are given and makes no difference to me, just see the person and makes my choice on that
totally agree pete, met some nasty people in my football away days who had top jobs , but on football Saturdays where totally different people, never judge a book by it cover, we live and learn
Now footie hooligans are a different breed altogether. Violence for the sake of it, not even under the guise of ideology of any form. And often very well organised and cute in how they carried out their acts. What was that movie, forgotten its name...and thought it was a very good representation of the time...bloke did 12 monkeys or another mad film as well as being a luvvie actor...also though This is England was a fair cop too. And the mail would have you believe modern society is more violent than ever...
Made in Britain is a Tim Roth movie from the early 80's Made in Britain (TV Movie 1982) - IMDb I recommend it. Its a lot deeper than it looks and its a bit of a parable for some of the yoof of the times. Well it does to me lol. Lets go glue sniffing...
