The 916, 999 & 1098 all kicked ass in BSB and WSB, can someone explain to me why the Pani is struggling? Is that the in line fours have got ahead power wise? They certainly look the part design wise with their low centre of gravity. And I'm told by owners they handle superbly and I don't doubt that. I've followed some on trackdays and they ain't slow either! I know that there are huge differences in top competition between factory and stock but how come the Pani struggles?
Strange new (different) design set up as per classic Italian means it's probably a bastard to set up and get dialled in I guess. That's the problem with quite a lot of the Ducati stuff, you look across the bikes and they just do things different, different bolts, different everything. It's nice to a degree when it's a road bike or you're not chasing the worlds best around a track, but when it comes to finite precision in set up and squeezing every last millisecond out of a pair of tyres I'm sure it sucks ass. Sometimes new/different isn't better, some stuff is better left alone
The Pani isn't a slow bike, not by any means. If you look at WSBK its the newest bike in the field (except the EBR) so the other teams have a year of to on them in terms of set up etc. The only bike that semi bucks that trend is the zx10r, which is just a superb bike that is winning across the board. So maybe the question isn't why is the Pani struggling, but it should be why is the Ninja so bloody good
Back in the 90's about 200cc But then capacity changes for both 2,3 and 4 cylinders brought restrictor kits in which kind of levelled the playing field, they always used to say the twins meant the tyres could manage the huge torque better due to the power pulses, I guess now tyre tech and engine tech has come on leaps and bounds, and don't forget the electronics packages. In SSTK trim the Pani is there it's just all the bells and whistles
Didnt kawasaki do nothing for the first two years, then Sykes had developed it and there no looking back since?
If it wasn't for bad luck, it looked like it was going to do the business at Laguna Seca. Maybe a combination of needing the development, the right riders to develop it, and the competition bikes are seriously good as well.
Id agree with this.... However, Chaz Davies & Jakub Smrtz are doing a sterling job. Ditch Giugliano and get a more fluid and consistent rider in WSBK for next yr.
Maybe its just not Ducati's turn, everything goes in circles I guess one day the 2020 ZX10R will be dog shit and the 2020 Ducati 1699 will be wiping the floor with everything.
Interesting debate. It's gonna be a mixture of all the above TBH. Remember the 1199 started racing in the UK a year earlier than in WSBK with MR in BSB - so they have an extra year of development and then last year the WSBK was not a "full" factory effort. Without doubt the 1199 is a revolution in terms of design and it is a difficult bike to set up - but if it took the ninja two full years to get sorted then next season should be good for the 1199. I do think a lot of it now is to do with electronics. Last weekend at Thruxton I sat listening to a well known street and closed circuit racer discuss electronics and how it's the most important thing in racing now - even if the bike is 10 - 15bhp down on others, if electronics are right you can still win. Getting the power down and drive out of corners was the most important (obviously). What struck me the most about this conversation was the emphasis around the techies getting it right from the off so track time is now wasted..... implying the better the techie and more importantly the more techies you have the quicker the solution (maths!!) and so from the off the rifer has the advantage. This would make complete sense when you see the bigger budget teams doing well more often as they have the resources (time, people, money) to develop things. Riders also play a huge part - in BSB MR have only had one rider so compared to the ninja team who have two riders they are already at a huge disadvantage. So the better performances of late (including pole last weekend) show it has the potential to do very well. In WSBK, I reckon if Tom Sykes was on it, it would be a different story all together. Schools out for me on Chaz and Gui.... but again, the bike is showing enormous promise. Next year, in wsbk, the Evo electronics comes into play..... I reckon Ducati will be back to winning ways.
style of substance looks good but is a dog , maybe its too technical the z is basic and easier to set up the frames on the moto gp and the WSB seem too rigid reducing front end feel .and riders do make a huge difference
