Hi everyone, time has come to give the Multi a bit more noise. I've seen so many combinations of end pipes, decat pipes and full systems my heads starting to spin! Basically I want some good honest Ducati rumble for sensible money and it seems simply replacing the stock cat with a decat pipe and retaining the stock end pipe will do the trick but I'm worried as that seems too simple? The termigoni bits look good but are pretty expensive, is it worth the extra cash? Help!
Good question. I'm wondering exactly the same at the moment. Don't want it too loud, but want more rumble...
Decat + anything would give rumble. Arrow, Quad D, all down to looks Even carbon stubby. Most important thing is fueling. Save some dosh for a good dyno.
Just to confuse you further, SC Project contacted me during the week and they will be launching at least an end can for the 1200s Multistrada in September. The SC on an 848 Street fighter looks and sounds fantastic so I'm going to bide my time until then before making my mind up. I do have an Akrapovic end can on the stock Cat at the moment so at least the bike looks good for the moment. Andy
If you go for a decat what happens to the exhaust valve? Obviously there isn't one in the decat so do you have to fool the computer into thinking that it still has one or something? Is that done via the remap or some other way?
Most decat pipes come with a workaround. The Mivv has a dummy spring which the exhaust valve cable screws onto. When the ignition comes on, the cable pulls on the spring, thinks there is an exhaust valve, nobody's the wiser. The spring can seize with road crap. However, after it first happened, I just applied some ACF50 every few months and never had a problem.
Any end can will do the job whether its a £600+ slip on Termi or a sawn off B&Q drain pipe. Its a straight through can and does nothing more then point exhaust away from you. So its just a case of how much you want to invest and what you want it to look like. IMO slip ons for this bike are all way over priced for what they provide, but that's subjective I guess. The real gains, as other say, is in the removal of the mid section. However if you remove this you remove back pressure which will effect fueling. Some need O2 mods or dyno time to richen things up low down, whilst others feel the bike rides fine. There is no real definitive answer as to how it will effect your bike , just that it may feel lean afterwards and require additional work/mods to resolve, depending on what you ultimately fit and how well you think it runs.
never a truer word said - it's all about pose value really....................like new kitchens. it's what you cook in it that counts, not what you cook it on
Stock fueling is actually pretty good so any gains would not be so pronounced, thats not to say it cant be improved on. The seat of the pants dyno would not feel much difference IMO. Depends what you want from the remap I guess. Changing just the end can has done nothing to alter the exhaust configuration.
Has anyone any experience of the "Danmoto" or any of the other de-cat pipes from China availbale on ebay? I'm not too bothered if the welding quality is not up to leo vince standards etc as it will be mostly out of sight and it can't look any worse that the standard cat anyway. Their feedback is overwhelmingly positive on Ebay and at £135 its less than half the price of the Mivv or Leo Vince equivalent parts, can there be that big a difference? I'm sure I will have to bodge some sort of system to fool the exhaust valve system too... I'm not too bothered about pose factor, brands etc, I actually like the look of the standard end can and think getting the now bronze heat shield re painted to freshen it up. Its the sound I'm more interested in.
I'd like to be able to get a small increase in noise along with a bit more power but apart from a full system I've yet to see something I really want. I don't want to simply remove the cat and stick another end can on because a lot of them are just too loud and increase the risk of a pull by the plod too much for my liking so apart from making the decision on purely cosmetic grounds it ain't easy. It'd be pretty straightforward if the cat was situated in the end can and it was like a bloody great big bin stuck on the side of the bike but the stock cans actually look ok so I've kept my cash in my bank account up to now.
There are quite a few options out there but require a little investigation before buying. Some mid pipes dont come with a mount for a centre stand bumper so will push back and rub on the underside if you intend on using one. Some use use different methods to remedy the exhaust flapper valve, or the solution completely omitted from the kit. Some have small amounts of baffling in the mid section, such as the LV. Others employ a removable baffle that you can fit. Some slipons assume your using it with the stock mid so provide no factory supplied removable baffle. Then if your going to baffle the system then you have to question why replace the stock at all, as your removing one obstruction only to fit another. There are weight savings so if you do competitive riding then that's going to shave some lap times off, but I would also argue that for all but a few of us this bike will exceed our capability in stock trim. I quite like the stock exhaust pipes and keeps the bike looking like a wolf in sheeps clothing. As others have also mentioned I could do with a little more "bark" in the sound track though which is my own real reason why I would change it.
I've had a MIVV Suono on mine for 2&1/2 years now and have been very pleased with it; it's cheap (about £600 for decat system), looks good (suits the bike), very light, engine runs fine stock ECU (OK a bit lumpy low down), GREAT noise. Some had problems with the innards of the end can but hopefully just a dodgy batch.
Cheap? £600? For something that probably costs no more than £50 to manufacture? I'll keep my money in my pocket.
Got to agree, that post is a little naive. Whilst I don't doubt there is a healthy profit margin, materials alone is not the only consideration. There is tooling, R&D, infrastructure costs, design , wages and not forgetting any EU approvals process for road compliance where applicable. There is more to add to that list also before retail then add their profit margins. All said though, I do agree that all systems are over priced, but then again, what isn't in the motorcycle world? It was my biggest eye opener when I got into motorcycles in that how expensive everything is in comparison to the car world.
I understand that there has to be a profit margin, I work in sales myself but some of the prices I've seen are shocking! The full Termi system is about £1500! Most end cans are around the £450 mark too which does seem pretty steep to me but I guess its a premium brand and expensive bike so they price parts accordingly. That said I'm sure most people like me are looking for a little more sound, maybe a bit more carbon and bling but aren't too bothered about more power, the Multi has more than enough power already? I'm very tempted to get the mid pipe done with a Mivv or Leo Vince and just retain the original end can and thats why I've been looking at the Dan Moto mid pipe, its under the bike so nobody will see it and its just basic pipework, how bad can it be?
The Dan Moto mid pipe has no baffles nor silencing in it, neither does the original end can. Together they will be helluva loud.
