panigale 119R SSTK from CORSE

Discussion in 'Racing & Bike Sport' started by kope999R, Feb 8, 2014.

  1. how does it compare with the SL?
     
  2. SL much more trick... SSTK is a tracked R with slightly better electronics and mapping and making this progammable yourself .. doing away with all the little road things likel ights and key and sidestand etcetc... i think that money gets you a second engine..
     
  3. yep... thats a bargain... just pitty that it takes a race engineer and a factory rebuild every weekend at 35000 a pop to run it ...
    that is if you want the electroncis working properly and all of those 208 bhp at the wheel :)
     
  4. Does it tho really? Unless you are riding it 100%, and lets face it thats less than 1% of all riders who can, cant you just do a 'service' omce a season? And as parts wont get the stress, will they need replacing?
     
  5. you can..; just cut the power at 11.800 instead of 12800... and a remap to top power off at 195 as off 11k...

    but you still need the Race engineer. as nothing in that Magnetti Marelli ECU is stock... and i wouldn't be surprised if they took it all out as it was factory. And just ask Steve, he knows far to well how very long and winding that road is... :)

    the more i look at it, the happier mine makes me feel... :)
     
  6. if you're going to de-tune it for longevity why not just buy a 1199R and track trim it?
     
  7. That bike is quit something special . Capping us not detuning. It just makes it ridable and will avoid having the rebuilds . But hey, this is not a sensible buy in a long shot ., :)
     
  8. Moreover how does it compare to yours Kopey
     
  9. Lots of people have old race bikes being used as trackbikes and I'd imagine many do as Kope suggests; limit revs to minimise service need. Take the point on the electrics though, although tbh if it were mine I wouldn't even think about it. Just ride it
     
  10. problem is that even if you don't want ot think about it, you soon will when this animal tries to get you 6 feet in the air... :)
     
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  11. surely if its set up, ie smooth and responsive, its just learning to ride it, right?
     
  12. Well peter, nice question... i already asked myself if i would swap it if i could.. so did some comparing..

    from what i can see from the pics : this F013 has been brought back to RS13 status and the really factory bits have been taken off. these are : the latest fueltank/subframe/titanium F0- exhaust. then there is the F0 software that will be gone as well.


    then : what is not different from my bike

    the front end the bike has on, is not the super-trick Ohlins Factory stuff as that can only be leased. so the whole front of the F13 as offered is about the same (apart from the triples) up to the same brake setup (GP master cylinders and monobloc calipers and 6 mm disks) . same for the back as the TTX shock is not that different . and the OZ wheels. theirs 17", mine 16,5".

    then what is different :

    the fuel tank which on the RS is larger (24ltr) but this does not make it ride differently Especially the electronics with the Magnetti Marelli full system. This system costs well over 35K and can do literally anything.
    And then there is the engine of course… This engine has been optimized to be wrung by its neck and remain between 8K and 12.8K revs for 90% of the time. It therefore revs much quicker as the internal parts are the lightest possible. This powersource is only to be ridden by people who can handle it and there are not many around of those. Even well weathered journalist are intimidated by this type of power.

    But then there is the MM. When handled by absolute specialists it can do almost anything you want. And can do so from curve to curve, in different temperatures , dry and wet from track to track… full engine management and mapping, TC, WC , powerdelivery, enginebraking, throttle-respons..; you name it, it will do it … but : get it wrong and the bike will try to kill you every yard you ride it… and this is what it turns down to: there are no people around to do this properly. And there is no framework you can refer to.. as this is not factory approved for the world .. it’s learn as you go. No one knows this better then Steve who’s been at it for 2 years now and was doing this well before the factory boys started properly… I could ask him , but he did most of his development on Motec. Whoops..
    The team this F013 came from reputedly fired the Marelli guys they had to take from the factory for being too junior as the big brains were all working on the GP bikes. Neukircher even pointed to this lack of seniority as the source for some bad crashes early in the season. I think that not handling this issue has contributed largely to riders backing off .. adding to the 2013 downward spiral..

    And this is why I would not want to swap.. who will do the tuning? Who can even read what’s in the software that is in the ecu now? So Brads , yes , but who will set it up... :)

    I’m ultra happy with the way my bike has been taken care off and I’m sure I won’t recognize it when I get it on the track again. I lacks nothing. Nor power, nor powerdelivery , not the right tuff to keep out of the kitty litter. Nor the stuf so I can analyse how badly I rode it. And it’s now up to me to make it work.. and it will def not be me who will ride it to within 10-15 seconds a 2 minute lap my bike is capable off..
    So as confident as I’ll be on mine, as scared I’d be on that F013…
    And now there is something my bike has and that the F013 did not have. Something Chaz Davies grumbled on for not having:
    A fully automatic clutchless downshifter with electronic revving and ramping. J … just to help this old fart focussing on his moving around on the bike..

    PRO SHIFT 1.JPG

    PRO SHIFT 2.JPG
     
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  13. Auto up and downshift?? You've built the fatest scooter in Europe ;-)
     
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  14. something to selebrate ! :)
     
  15. I'm soooo jealous of that shifter. I craves it. I wants it. Ive looked around and nothing comes close. Dammit. I could stretch to 50% of its cost. If they made a version.
     
  16. Marvellous post Kopey , absolutely fuckin brill.:upyeah:
     
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