Hi everyone, I know quickshifters aren't to everyone's taste but I've wanted one since test riding the panigale so I'm going to fit one to my 848. Now the problem I'm having is deciding between translogic intelishift and hm quickshifter plus ss. I'm not interested in swapping to race shift pattern or a throttle blipping function so the translogic comes in at £400 I know a lot of people use the hm units and say they are great, however as far as I can see they both have the same kind of functions. To me the translogic just looks better quality and its a good £70 cheaper! That's the one I'm swaying towards at the moment but wanted to see if I was missing something obvious that makes the hm plus ss £70 better? Or if anyone has tried either on a ducati and how well they worked? Why they picked the one they did etc. cheers.
There was a quick shifter for sale on here not so long since. Might be worth getting in touch with the seller & asking him some questions. I think @arthurbikemad also has a lot of info on this.
Key points with the HM SS are:- Cuts the coils for a clean shift. Has a strain gauge (load cell) to detect the shift, no moving parts, not like a crude switch as many are. Programable kill times and sensitivity. Can be used in push or pull. SS tech, HM Seamless shift, trims the kill time when a gear is engaged, I.e if 60ms is selected and the gear is engaged in 50 the shifter releases the ignition early so the shift is smoother and saves 10ms in time, each shift time is saved adds up over total lap times giving an advantage in a race or timed lap situation. Can be used on other bikes with a new sub loom for 50.00. Maybe someone else can talk about the Translogic.
Cheers for that arthurbikemad I've been reading up on both all day pretty much! I've gone for a translogic one, it also uses strain gauge and seemless shift tech as well as intelishift which from what I can make out is all basically the same features as the hm gp unit. Also has the option for pro tuner which is to fine tune things and an optional kill time adjuster can be fitted but I didn't bother with that, if it's that intelligent I shouldn't need it ha! The translogic seems to get good reviews for shifting well at all rpm ranges compared to hm stuff but we will see! All in it came to £404 compared to hm plus ss at £465 Close the thread if need be and if anyone's interested I'll happily do a fitting guide and review once it's on.
Sounds good, the HM GP is another level in Quickshifters but not ready for Ducati at this time. For the record the SS is 475.00 inc a shift rod, postage and VAT. The plus 375.00 if you change your mind give me a PM lol Good luck I am sure all will be fine
I have a 2nd hand Translogic on my racebike...it's so good that i'd even contemplate paying full price for one if i changed bike and needed another.
Doesnt a spark cut (leaving the injectors, errr, injecting!) throw neat fuel into then out of the engine and lead to cat' damage if used with a standard system?
From what they told me when I enquired about the gp it's just a plus ss with the ability to tell what gear your in and control kill times for individual gears. Great piece of kit I'm sure but way more advanced than I'll ever need. The translogic unit seems to be the same spec as the plus ss which I was quoted £465 all in for. I don't think there is much chance of cat damage. Given the amount of time the spark is cut for and the amount of fuel that would be injected in that time plus the temperature of the engine/ exhaust etc it's unlikely, If anything it's more likely a bad map and a rich running bike would damage a cat quicker. But who cares about cats anyway haha
Correct about the cat. The GP is way more complex than most of us need, it's also evolving each day, as the GP can be upgraded by new firmware many new features can be added as and when they are developed, traction control and other features are also coming soon. The GP uses a superfast processor and a complex algorithm to determine gear position, this calculation has to be 100% accurate at all times, knowing gear position as you say lets the system run set kill times for each gear, thus you can have a long kill time in first to second gear to give a smooth shift through neutral, also it means that when in sixth gear it's possible to inhibit a shift to seventh, knowing there is no seventh gear prevents the system cutting the ignition once top gear is engaged, such a shift could cost you the race in a photo finish, many rider try and shift to seventh as a means to "check" they are in top gear. The GP also has HMSS, another load of math that is able to release the ignition once the next gear is engaged, saving time over a number of laps and giving a smoother shift. It also has fail safe modes too, should the system fail it will automatically shut down certain features so the rider is able to continue racing. This is only a small snippet of what the GP does, it logs EVERY detail too so the session can be looked at in great detail, blipper output and much much more are all features that you'd expect to find in a shifter that is used in MotoGP, let me tell you it's awesome to ride with, so slick on a blade its hard to feel that a new gear has been engaged! As the development of the firmware moves forward thanks to the IOM and Moto2 the system just gets better and better, wish I could talk of what's to come!
I know pretty much bugger all about the techy side of these things, but the translogic was recommended to me and has been pretty good I think. I like Occasional false neutral but that's probably just me making an arse of things lol.
Arthur, which one would you recommend for a totally custom loom which is driven by an aftermarket ignition controller such as ignijet or microsquirt?
Sev, no matter what ECU or loom your running all you need to know is the HM is stand alone and does not require any other electronics to function, connection wise it hooks up to the Ducati coil packs, I.e the fiat style plugs fitted to most new Ducati, I am guessing your bike uses coil packs rather than HT coils and leads? Comfy, HM's site is packed with info, www.hmquickshifters.com, also check out youtube for HM videos, a MAJOR plus side to HMA is they are a UK company who pride themselves on support. If you have anyquestins give them a call, failing that I will try and answer any questions, I am proud of HM and have grown to love the range of shifters. I do fit others such as Cordonia but as I say so far HM have always been on hand if need be.
