British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. I’ve explained this before o_O

    first referendum;

    leave / remain.

    if remain win cancel Brexit.

    if leave win second referendum

    deal / no deal.

    its. That. Easy.
     
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  2. I wouldn’t bet on it. But I also wouldn’t rule it out.
     
  3. I've explained this before.

    No Leave on future Referendum ballots, only faux-Leave or Remain.

    They have learned their lesson.

    It's. That. Simple.
     
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  4. Go on Alan have a wager. Just paypal me the money or I'd accept a cheque...
     
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  5. well yea, in the real world.

    In my world of playing fair though.
     
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  6. Well, the options are:

    Vote Tory/Labour/LibDem - 0% percent chance of meaningful Brexit
    Vote Brexit Party - 0.5% of a TBP government with a 99% chance of a meaningful Brexit

    I'm loving those odds. Truly.
     
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  7. You think I have money.

    :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
     
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  8. Me too! Looks like none and fcuk all!
     
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  9. On Swinson or Farage to win the election its a gift regardless of the amount.
     
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  10. Referendum first achieves nothing unless the numbers of MPs in each party reflect the referendum vote. They haven’t reflected the outcome of the first referendum for the past three and half years and that is the fundamental problem.

    Another aspect to be developed in a forthcoming election is tactical candidacies. Take a look at the outcome of the Brecon & Radnor by election: it isn’t a Labour stronghold like the Welsh valleys.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Brecon_and_Radnorshire_by-election

    Traditionally it is a Lib-Dem or Conservative seat, Labour are doing quite well there to keep their deposit.

    In the 2019 by election, the Lib-Dem vote was boosted by the decisions by other anti-Brexit parties to not stand, and indeed to actively campaign for the Lib-Dem candidate. Conversely, the Brexit Party did field a candidate which split the Leave vote.

    The outcome was the Leave supporting Conservative and Brexit Party candidates had a larger combined vote than the Lib-Dem, but the Lib-Dem won the seat.

    In a General Election this pattern may have massive affects in marginal seats.
     
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  11. The 2019 by-election "split Leave vote" is actually a chimera. At the time, there was still the belief that the Tories and TBP were both parties of Leave. This is false.

    It is becoming clearly obvious to everyone paying attention that the Tories are most certainly not a Party of Leave but rather, a faux-Leave party at best - if not a full-blown Remain party. Fielding TBP candidates does not split the Leave vote in any real sense.

    Alas, not enough people are paying attention to what it is the Tories are up to. Thus, TBP will lose votes to the Tories under false pretences and it will be the fault of an apathetic, oblivious electorate that the 2016 Ref result will fade into obscurity after the next GE either due to a Tory+allies win or a Labour+allies win.
     
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  12. Doesn’t that kind of prove my point
     
  13. You don't think thats a little exagerated?
     
  14. Not based upon the Party's actual actions, no.

    May offered WA v1.0, a recipe for a disadvantageous "Brexit" that could only lead to an ignominious return, cap-in-hand, to the EU fold.

    BoJob offers WA v2.0, a watered-down version of a disadvantageous "Brexit" that could only lead to an ignominious return, cap-in-hand, to the EU fold.

    Meanwhile, Tory MPs work directly with the EU to foil Brexit, and many of the much-vaunted ERG vote in favour of versions of "Leave" that resemble the treaties countries sign when they have been utterly defeated in a war.

    Fool me once, shame on you ...
     
  15. Boils down to Brexit party or Remain then.

    When / how do you think they will cancel Brexit ?
     
  16. Yes.

    Eventually.

    It's how the EU, and the EU assets in the UK Parliament, operate.

    The EU doesn't really ever say "No", it says "Not yet" ... until No is achieved.

    Worst-case scenario for the EU - the UK establishment has to put in place faux-Leave to avoid civil unrest and wait for the worsening economic conditions that arise from faux-Leave to trigger a desire to return to the EU as a member.
     
  17. I live in hope. (Still not gonna bet though)

    At least that would be an end to it either way.


    before anyone says anything ‘hope’ is a quiet little town on the essex coast in Aberdeenshire. :)
     
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  18. Aberdeen is the finest village/settlement North of the Wall.
     
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  19. It is peculiar given Jo Swinson's mp's seat is in Scotland and the snp have already declared it is their number one target in the next general election
     
  20. ooh. Stupid question time.

    If she loses her seat in a GE can she still be leader of the Lib Dims
     
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