So based on sporty riding and having to cope with occasional rain, (alps) not worrying too much about overall tyre life, is there anything better than the Angel gt2 ?
I think that's a subjective question. Each rider tends to have their own tyre preference, it's like asking what brand of oil should I use... Feel can be familiar and 'comfortable', might even just be in your head... same with confidence which to a greater extent probably is a head thing. Wear is very dependant on how each rider uses and abuses their chosen tyres, I reckon could easily make my tyres last longer but if I wanted economy I wouldn't be riding a large capacity bike. Have tried the Roadtec 01 but preferred the Michelin PR4s (used the PR3s prior to that), have progressed to the Road5 for the last three sets. Purely out of curiosity I will likely try the Angel GT2s next. About 6,000 miles is all I tend to get out of a set. The Scorpion IIs that came with my MV were toast at 2,500 miles with the front worn to baldness on the shoulders.
As above...tyres are very personal as we all like to get a different "Feel" , I detest Michelin tyres, never had a good experience on them yet others absolutley love them, I prefer the more rounded feel of Pirelli/Metzler tyres and always have yet again others have had bad experiences of them. with regards to the Multi I found on std suspension FRONT pre-load it wore the tyre very badly, as IMO its that soft that after braking (and diving like a U Boat) the forks push the front tyre as they re extend, after setting up the front pre-load it has reduced the tyre wear to what I consider to be a normal rate of about 2 rears to 1 front and reduced the scalloping of the shoulders I was experiencing with the soft front. I'm currently running Angel GT's....and I've managed about 6500 miles front and about 3200 rear, I'm going to try the GT2's for the next set
Lot's of guys here ride on Michelins as they're probably the best you can get for wet weather conditions. Apparently it rains in the UK. The GT2 are Pirelli's attempt to provide competition to the Road 5's as the GT's are more of a dry condition tire. On this note, hearsay from Parts Canada (our Canadian Pirelli distributor), has it that the GT's will remain in production along with the GT2's. We'll see how long that lasts. About the fork dive: I don't have that issue. Try dialing-up the compression dampening (not the pre-load). Here's one of many troubleshooting charts that was presented at a track course I attended which may help.
and theres the exact thing....I detest the Michelin tyres and find them nervous and uninspiring wet or dry, I wont have them on any of my bikes, as for the GT's being DRY weather tyres ? again not IMO as they perform very well wet or dry, certainly again IMO with better feel than the Michelin offerings ans yes you are correct it does rain occasionally here in the UK.. as for fork set up...its skyhook so only damping , its not split into comp/rebound, but the fork is set how I like it withthe pre-load set for me then the damping set to the minimum I can get away with without if feeling like its wallowing, I dont like using damping settings to compensate for under springing
I did not say that the GT are a dry tire, just relative to the Road 5's, they not as great in the wet. Don't misunderstand me, the GT's are still one of the best "All Rounders" you can buy in the Sport Touring realm. Emphasis here is "Sport". I may consider a Panigale S with electronic suspension, consequently, your comment about the Skyhook comp/rebound got me rattled. I would never consider a bike where you can't adjust those. Fortunately, you can adjust the comp/rebound independently from the pre-set in the menu. What a relief! Page 190 onward in the owner's manual.
I can see that to some extent however it can’t be all of the reason they are hard on tyres The Multi is lighter by some margin than the GSA so weight can’t really be a huge factor Also tyre wear has appreciably decreased since setting the front pre-load properly as has diving under braking and the consequent springing back up
Yeah yeah you’ll still have a hard time convincing me than Michelin anything is better... and that’s the hard part about tyres you obviously rate them highly... I’d take them off and fit something else so a lot has to be confidence in the tyre As for Skyhook yes us poor Multi owners only get “Damping” and about 5 levels of adjustment but I believe the Skyhook system must separate them for its own use otherwise it wouldn’t work as well as it does My other thoughts are that the slightly remote feeling is very akin to Para/Tele-lever BM feel which is why some get on with it and some don’t like it... again just my thoughts
GSA has very different suspension and the front doesn't dip so much when braking and push on the front. Weight isn't the only reason but more weight means more load on the front.
GS with esa has very predictable tyre wear. The lack of dive was/is a revelation after other motorcycles. My 2013 multi wore out front tyres quickly and unevenly until Andreani internals were fitted. Weird tyre wear is typical of poor suspension set up.
Which really backs up my theory that setting up the front pre-load which does away with the excessive fork dive helps out with tyre wear
You've misunderstood me again. Maybe I'm not explaining myself well. My communication skills are perhaps lacking to transmit the full flavor of my preferences. I don't use Michelins. In fact, the Road 5 don't fit well on a 1260 Multi. I like Pirellis. I don't ride in the rain unless I get caught in a downpour. I also have a preference for a sport tire.
If you don't use Michelins how can you state the above as a fact? From a fan of Michelin Road 5's who rides in all weathers - apart from ice and snow!
That's a valid observation. However, this info is not of my doing. If fact, I really don't have an opinion on "what's better that". I'm simply quoting and relying from multiple experts who have tested and reviewed the Michelins in various wet scenarios. I've included one of those review in post #26 on page 2 of this thread. The consensus opinions from all reviews are that the Road series are the standards from which all other touring tires are measured for "the wet". Pirelli launched the GT2's as a direct competitor to the Road 5's as they are completely different from the original GT's both in composition and thread patterns.
So at the risk of further spreading confusion you are actually espousing the supposed superiority of the Michelin tyres based on someone else’s opinion ??? This doesn’t strike me as empirical data if I’m honest as I myself am living proof that everyone has different tastes and requirements from bike tyres Expert or not it’s only their opinion based on opinion and NOT absolute data is it ? As someone who HAS removed brand new Michelin tyres and sold them to fit another brand I can state categorically Michelin tyres are crap Veetwin can state as someone who like Michelin tyre that they are the best tyres ever The funny thing is neither of us are wrong as it’s only opinion
Moto-journalists, on average, are in a far better position with resources at their disposition to objectively gauge side-by-side comparisons than our simplistic anecdotal and/or often biased empirical impressions. Tires, like Motor Oil, Pizza, Coke vs Pepsi, Chevy vs Ford are all polarizing topics. Yes, at the end of the day, it's all opinions but theirs carry more weight than ours.
LOL.... knowing several biking journo’s over the years... I’m afraid their opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s It’s simply their job to write about it , they aint Supermen
I am going to disagree on that as well! How far have they ridden on those different tyres and in what variety of conditions and on what types and makes of Motorcycles? They are just YouTubers out to make money as far as I am concerned - that is just my opinion BTW. I am far more likely to listen / take advice from others who ride many miles on the same type of motorcycle as I do (a 1260). That is why I read this forum.
