On my 2013 PP multistrada I'm fitting some M4s from a 1098. Are these a direct swap or will I need anything new or different?
Search the original thread on fitting them. You will need brake lines etc. It's a pain to do but worth it.
<deep breaths> Yes, the calipers bolt straight on. They are a direct swap for the original calipers. It is the hoses that need changing. Doodle, from the correspondence I received from twin4me p&h did not try to fit them. Hell, even offered to help fit them for him. I don't know what else to suggest. I know of two others who have had this done (by Snells - I provided details to them) following the part numbers etc I posted. And for the record, these calipers will fit non ohlins / and base model bikes, and skyhook bikes too. If I'm doubt, unbolt one of your calipers, swing it out of the way, and trial for the m4. I'm sure I suggested this too. 2 Allen bolts and 5 minutes, it's that simple to check...
Thanks John, no lack of belief on my part, just didn't want to intrude on your already helpful advice and time... Like you say I don't think they even tried to fit them! Doodle - feel free to belt any of them! John - If they still make a fuss I'll order up the new lines (or an addition to the one Doodle provided) and then ask for your help one more time to make sure I don't f*ck them up. John's helpful list of the brake line parts you need is on this thread: MTS brake upgrade. | Ducati Forum
On bikes I've converted the bottom banjos are at a different angle. The M4's screw more inside the wheel, the originals are out side.
Guys go read the thread, or at least look at the pics. as Nelson says, mounts are at a different angle and standard hoses will not fit. doodle modified his, I replaced mine (so i could revert to standard when I sold it). Happy to help fit if you need it twin4me. Its easily done in an evening, just make sure you have everything you need, including fluid ! I know p&h well, having dealt with them over the last 15 or so years (they supplied a bunch of my bikes including both mts's). Personally, given your previous experience I wouldn't get them to do the job. Who did you speak with there ?
I've been dealing with Luke, the service manager at P&H. I'm concerned that they haven't even mentioned the brake lines and connection to the ABS unit, even though I told them they would need to adapt them. This is what P&H just said to me: I have asked a second technician to look at the calliper and he is happy to fit- the area of concern would be the fact the brake pads do not cover the entire width of the disc so braking efficiency could differ to that you are used to, and the disc will wear unevenly. If you are happy then we can do this for you. I have added a photo so you can see the area of noncontact and highlighted so you can see. John - I think I will take you up on your offer once I order the new lines and get the bike back if that's OK?
Right, so from that pic they have trial fitted it. From that pic ts not vastly different to the pic I posted above. I can tell you the braking improvement is outstanding. I've not compared actual pad area, but the M4 pads are longer and shallower. If you want to check further, what you need to see is the outside of the caliper, to see if the pads hang off the top of the disc. You can do this yourself with no tools, just slip it over the disk to the same depth as they have shown, then compare it to the other pic I posted. The M4 pads look like this: EBC Front Brake Pads, Sintered for 1098 Calipers | ca-cycleworks.com compared to this: EBC Front Brake Pads, Double-H Sintered | ca-cycleworks.com Why not take a pad out of one of the M4 calipers and hold it in place over the disk, see if it actually covers all of the swept area (I might go do that myself in a minute). Sure, as I said before, if you have somewhere dry with light, get all the bits, then I will give you a hand to do it. Oh, yes I know Luke, but he is on the service desk isnt he ? He isnt actually the mechanic, unless there is a Luke in the workshop too ? Ray is the really clued up Ducati mechanic. There is another guy too, but cant recall his name. Thats the problem with a non solus dealer, you may not get the mechanic your expecting, depending on how their work load is. I used to ask for Ray, and if he wasnt there I would book when he was. Truoble is though, they are more interested in cranking through the numbers, unlike a smaller deler that will give you a more tailored and personal - ehem - service
Just ordering up the lines: John has already told me what I need: 1x 3H0450 - 450 mm Braided Stainless steel line 1x 3H1850 - 1850mmBraided Stainless steel line 1x 3/60081S - straight M10 Banjo 1/8bsp thread 3x 3/60082S - 20 degree M10Banjo 1/8bsp thread Copper washers I'm thinking of changing the main line from the master cylinder at the same time. Does anyone happen to know what length this is and which fittings I will need on each end. Do I also need a pressure light switch on one end, or is this just controlled by the lever? POWERHOSE PLUS Sorry for so many questions but as the bike is down at the dealers I can't just have a look and measure myself!
Master cylinder to left caliper, link hose between calipers, as in original setup. running two hoses all the way from the abs pump is unnecessary and likely to cause issues with clearance in some areas. Copper washers is to do the job properly, as the old ones will have work hardened. P&h should be able to supply these, they are standard brake banjo washers. I assume all banjo bolts and bleed nipples were included with calipers.
Why mess about with parts get em made up, John & Theresa they'll do you a top deal [email protected] - 07831366079 WWW.HELMOBILE.COM
So will venhill if you want them to. Having loose fittings allows for any hose twist, so it's not critical to get the orientation of the offsets correct.it's no more difficult to use these than completed hoses anyway, just personal preference.
Have you read the thread or just the last post? Direct from where....the abs unit? Extra weight of a second 1850mm of hose? More crap under the tank and down the steering column/forks area.
